Kelly - he has been on fluid since yesterday - and I brought him back today to get more - then, he was very depressed there, and the vet thought that he was going to cross soon and they called me and I went to pick him up right away.. when my hannibal had CRf, I took him to get IV, and he got so much better in a couple of days ---and when he crashed for the second time, my vet thought that it was his time to go, but I did not want to give up, so I asked her to give more fluid -and he died at the hospital.. I so wished that he could pass at home where he was surrounded by his family ---but I needed to try -his numbers were not as bad as Rikki's when he passed..
Rikki was very depressed there.. he wanted to come home as I promised to him that I would bring him home... he is very skinny as he has not been eating for the past couple of days - and I really can't force feed him - I tried - but he hates it and makes him sicker -what am I supposed to do? Force things what I want and ignore what he wants?? (I know that I am going to try to force feed him anyway because I still do what I WANT for him though that's not what he wants..) did you see his kidney numbers Kelly? It's very hard to reverse when ARF is that profound - I consider myself to be one of the last people not to try whatever it is out there.. but I also want to respect what Rikki wants... please don't think that I am not giving him a chance - it makes me feel very sad - but sometimes, we cannot do everything we want to satisfy our needs - but need to respect what our babies want --- But I am not just going to not do anything .. I am going to give him fluid at home.. and continue to give epogen for his anemia and interferon. And love him as much as I can and pet him as much as he wants..I want to give him a quality that he prefers.. ..when an animal is ready to cross soon,, you know.. I have seen so many of mine passed.. and I know that Rikki's time might be approaching.. but I am still praying for a miracle and if it's not him time yet, I have a faith that he will get better --- _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:47 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Pleasae,,, If it is ARF...it takes a while to resolve and he needs the IV fluids while he recovers,My cat was at the vet for a week on fluids and meds and was 15 at the time. He is almost 20 now, Give him a chance,, Kelly I think that Rikki's kidney has started to shut down,,I am not going to take him to a vet any more - He wanted to come home and I promised to him that I wouldn't do anything to stress him out - I want him to be peaceful at home.. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by???? Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS... _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens - I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just don't feel too good but they usually eat okay - that's why it's to easy to miss.. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more.. It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can't change that.. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006
