That's why I can't do rescue! I can't give them up! He's turned into the biggest mush of all! Lives for those head buts!! My ONLY problem with him is that my Tucson, (my other FELV+) has a thing about him and goes after him any chance she gets. He's a real wimpy sort of guy so he would stay hiding someplace if I didn't separate them at some point--not my ideal, believe me! They've really gotten into it a few times--she's a lot bigger than him & when she pins him down, he bites her. Caused a couple of trips to the vet---you'd think she'd learn just to leave him alone but she just won't quit. Wish I could talk cat language to know what it is that throws her so much...
Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch yeah, but some of us, who weren't even on this list then, still asked about Big Boy for years after you DIDN'T place him with us! hee hee..... On 2/5/07, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Haven't chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another > perspective. Tamara & I were both looking for someplace for one of our > cats-she for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to > compare notes & I remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte > at this, I so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this > group gave me. I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole > process was. I sort of had to take stranger's word that they were going to > take care of BB as well as I would have! In these 'travels' looking for a > new home for BB, I ran across some pretty scary people. One local guy was > the 'collector' for FELV+ cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He > never let anybody come to his home & simply picked up the cats in various > parking lots. When I talked to him, he made it clear that he had plenty of > cats but would never let anyone even come to inspect, much less visit. Now > he may have been wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a > nice guy he was-how could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him > so highly if they had never been there??? > > > > As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also > overloaded-going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to > monitor those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search & w. my Katrina > work, has shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at > their foster--many don't even have a home visit to begin with-much less a > visit after they receive animals. I know that most fosters are GREAT > situations-but it only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody. > Tamara's heads up to me way back then saved me a long trip down to > Maryland, and more importandly saved me from making what could have been a > bad placement for him. > > > > Over the last few years, I've looked to this group for so much-and found > that everybody could be open & honest here. We need to give each other some > clues when something doesn't seem quite right. So Tamara, thank you from me > and from BB (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bed-so much > for rehoming!) > > > > > Chris > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > tamara stickler > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: Rude Ranch > > > > > Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had > volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a > business to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and they can > only continue if the people who entrust the animals to them continue to help > pay for the cats care...I get that. And I understand this woman who agreed > to help me, doing so out of the goodness of her heart b/c of her love of > animals...I understand and respect that. As for the conditions on her farm > and the charges under her care, since they were not up to MY standards, as I > believe I would want to live, so I found another alternative for the charge > under my care. > > > > > > While I believe that perhaps I should have alerted AC, I didn't because she > IS working with all these other rescue organizations. All these places, > people, who start with the best of intentions do good work. The level of > "good" is relative to each individual's personal reality. > > > > > > IF what she had said was true about RR shifting cats onto her, which she > seemed very proud of- to be able to help...I felt it MIGHT help someone > reading about RR to understand that there may be a POSSIBILITY that a cat > placed with them, might not stay with them, and if sent away, might not wind > up in a place as nice as their's. I admitted in my e-mail that I had no > personal knowledge of the workings of Rude Ranch, only relayed my experience > with someone who claimed to...and because she knew them by name and seemed > joyed to help them & because several other rescue operations I had spoken to > recommended her to me, I had no reason to believe that she wasn't telling me > the truth. > > > > > > But as saying even the least little thing bad about a place can cause harm, > so can saying a place is wonderful .... > > > > > > My only intention with my original post was to caution. I know I have > dropped animals at "WONDERFUL" shelters in the past, places I personally > supported financially for years...then eventually volunteered there only to > learn awful things about the running of the organizations (again...NOT > referring to Rude Ranch, I've never been THERE)....but...If a place seems > TOO wonderful, its often too easy to reliquish the care of a beloved animal > to it and not feel any guilt. Whereas IF all the facts were researched, > perhaps a better place/person could be found if just given a little more > time and research. > > > > > > I had/have no intention to villify people who care and are trying to > help...even when they've lost their way. EDUCATION to those trying to place > felv+ cats is the best security for the animals, whether education on the > disease itself, or on HOW to investigate anyone or place where one might > leave an animal who is trusting you to care for them. > > > > > > I never said RR was bad, or absolutely did shift animals onto an overloaded > foster home, I just relayed what little information I personaly heard from > someone who claimed to have a good, working relationship with RR. So that > if anyone had seen them on Animal Planet they wouldn't automatically assume > them to be the "be-all-end-all" (which they may actually be-who knows) just > because they were on tv. Speaking as a rescuer myself, who is more than > willing to help others ...I prefer to do so when they've exhausted all other > avenues...and NOT be their first call...being too good at what you do, can > get you in WAY over your head. > > > > > > T > > > > > > > > > > > TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > exactly..... it only takes one person with their own agenda to cause > irreparable harm. > > we were once contacted by someone who wanted us to take her two FeLVs, > from quite a distance away. as FeLVs don't do really well on long > transports, we tried to work with her on more local options. every > place she went to, she found major fault with, yet every time we tried > to set up transport arrangements with her, she has one excuse after > another about why it wouldn't/couldn't work. i had many long emails > and phone calls with her, and finally, she just stopped responding. > > about two months later, she started posting hissterical messages about > these same two cats on the lists. again, i wrote and reminded her that > we were willing to take them--on the lists, she wrote really nasty > letters about how i'd never responded to her before, and that if it > had been up to me, those cats would have been dead by now, then she > went on about how she wasn't going to send them to a place where the > cats lived in cages in tiny rooms all their lives--which was not at > all the case where we were--i'd sent her many photos of our > facilities..... when i reminded her, off list, of our phone calls and > emails, she went back on the lists, saying that i was harassing her > and that she was going to tell everyone to have nothing to do with our > sanctuary and that if she ever heard from me again she'd report me for > stalking.... i reported HER to all the lists she was posting on, > actually.....and considered sending her the bill for the long-distance > phone calls i'd made to her.... > > some people will never be satisfied, and sadly, some people really do > exist solely to make trouble for others. > > MC > > On 2/5/07, Kelly L wrote: > > I do not know personally of the place but be careful when saying > > something negative like that on line, You could really hurt someone > > trying to help. > > I have a small sanctuary and would never allow anyone in here with > > out an appointment, There are many many crazy people out there > > unfamiliar with what it takes to manage multitudes of cats...All it > > takes is for one cat to vomit in a corner and another boy baby to > > spray someones shoes.. Yup it happens. I know of two wonderful caring > > rescuers ( not hoarders) who lost al their cats when an novice cat > > person decided it was messy etc,,,,they called the authorities and as > > a result I imagine many cats lost their loving home and perhaps their > lives, > > for a person getting rid of cats for any reason, why do they expect > > others to be able to do what they themselves are willing to do,,I > > have both FIV and FELV.... > > I do recommend that any time a cat is placed a home check is in > > order,,that is common sense. > > Kelly > > www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference.... > > MaryChristine > > AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 289856892 > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference.... 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