--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Here is the link
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> Tonya,
> I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
> addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm
> new
> here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
> them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the
> core
> difference between those of us not willing to risk
> mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
> incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
> for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
> just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
> when I read about these kitties dying and I just
> want
> to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
> hurting.
> When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so
> happy
> and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
> with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
> panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER.
> I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
> have so far in the short time I have been on this
> list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
> vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
> only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
> been a slight improvement. My personal vets also
> tell
> me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed
> as
> anyone here.
> As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
> too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince
> a
> couple people here, in my town, not to put their
> FIV+
> kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
> studied for several days to learn all I could to
> back
> my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
> is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is
> much
> easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often
> kittens
> can throw this disease, if say, contracted through
> the
> mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
> Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non-
> gambler
> like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease
> free
> guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
> and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a
> longer
> natural life than Felv+guys...
> Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know
> these
> same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
> some are NOT.
> I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life
> that
> is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy
> group
> and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
> even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty.
> If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
> SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
> come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
> the stories of how this person or that ,might have
> had
> a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+
> kitties
> and never contract the disease. This is where I get
> my
> hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
> strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
> spirit as the actual scientific information I get
> here
> is helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
> emotional support here. I think these three things
> is
> what keeps most of us here?
> A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While
> researching
> which university to go to, came up with the opinion
> the three best schools in the country for veterinary
> medicine were as follows, University of Colorado,
> in
> Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
> and lastly,the the University right down there in
> Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in
> the
> world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that
> last night after reeling from something I read
> hateful
> here...
> Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is
> stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said,
> until yesterday. UGH!
> All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving,
> dear people and let's all try to get along, learn
> from
> each other and appreciate our differences. The
> reason
> we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want
> to do what is right for them...Too bad people have
> to
> be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day!
>
> --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Glenda,
> >
> > In my approximately 10 years on this list I have
> > never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from
> a
> > mixed situation. Now cats do test initially
> > sometimes for both. But I have had fiv cats mixed
> > with felv with no problem.
> >
> > It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's
> > Landing do so much good that I think you should
> calm
> > down on the heavy judgements.
> >
> > Those who have been on this list for a long
> time,
> > and many who have left, have already had this
> > discussion with Sherry. People agree and
> disagree.
> > But I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is
> doing
> > a wonderful thing trying to save as many of these
> > cats as she can.
> >
> > And Sherry, who also deals with each loss,
> doesn't
> > need such negative feedback.
> > tonya
> >
> > glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sherry,
> > She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you,
> > when
> > I realized the thinking behind how your shelter,
> > where
> > you volunteer, with the declawing policy and
> reading
> > about the section for the special needs kitties I
> > thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
> > with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am
> > surprised...
> > Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I
> > have
> > to tell you I am scared to death for these two
> > groups
> > of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique
> is
> > vaccinated...that could help, but she is at
> terrible
> > risk. Her immune system is already compromised by
> > the
> > FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to
> please
> > get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP!
> > You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
> > especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When
> I
> > read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
> > that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
> > luck with her and she might live a pretty normal
> > life.
> > The fact she is in a situation where she can
> > contract
> > the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
> > crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in
> that
> > environment...and what about the kitties that
> might
> > possibly be able one day, to throw one of the
> > viruses
> > or the other? What chance do any of them really
> > have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
> > virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
> > groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance ,
> but
> > here they are almost certainly, over time going to
> > become FeLV+ too.
> > You need to get Mystique out of there. You should
> > have
> > her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you
> know,
> > what you will be dealing with. Then have her
> tested
> > again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
> > blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for
> > myself,
> > if she is really FIV+.
> > Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's
> > intro
> > page and it is set up well to navigate through.
> The
> > kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well
> > written
> > and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The
> > way
> > it appears to me, is a showplace type of place,
> that
> > collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to
> > become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking
> in
> > these cats, are they really doing what is best for
> > each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats
> from
> > the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with
> cats
> > with one disease or the other disease and let
> > another
> > shelter deal with the other...
> > Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you?
> > Well,
> > they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
> > cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry.
> > I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats.
> All
> > my
> > cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful
> my
> > negatives do not come into contact with my one
> > positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+
> > cat
> > in my household I would possibly allow him to
> > continue
> > as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
> > turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
> > easier disease to deal with.
> > I'm in the process of having all my guys tested
> > again,
> > because my guys do get outside at times,
> supervised,
> > as they are and as confident as I am they have not
> > run
> > into any positive, strange kitties out there, I
> > still
> > believe in knowing their health status every year
> or
> > so...This, because I do not believe in putting any
> > of
> > my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
> > would never get outside, at ever, but I love for
> > them
> > to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they
> > beg...I
> > am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for
> > the,
> > quality of life, argument...
> > Well, I have done enough damage for one
> > day...Sherry,
> > thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I
> > do
> > not trust people...
> > Love and best wishes from Nebraska,
> > Glenda
> > --- Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
> > > separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
> > > space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy
> > cat
> > > ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!!
> > :)
> > > I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that
> tested
> > > felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1
> 1/2
> > > years later tested negative for anything.Then I
> > > brought Genevieve home back in April,she was
> > felv+.I
> > > risked it because my heart told me to bring that
> > > baby girl home to love her as much as
> possible.AND
> > I
> > > DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
> > > her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left
> us.
> > > :(
> > > You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit
> > > uneasy when it comes to that subject.
> > > Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
> > > Sherry and her fur baby boys
> > > Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan
> > >
> > > glenda Goodman wrote:
> > > Sherry,
> > > I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
> > > earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent
> > > little
> > > girl to have in your home...She will take your
> > pain
> > > away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV,
> > but
> > > not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their
> FIV+
> > > kitties from their FeLV+
> > > kitties ? Taking care of her should be very easy
> > and
> > > rewarding...She could have a long life with you.
>
> > > As for this organization, I will say, their
> layout
> > > and every cat is beautiful. My heart is just
> > > stretching out of my chest for them. Bless your
> > > heart,
> > > Sherry, for all you do. I am very sorry I get a
> > > little
> > > up in the air over certain issues. Please
> believe
> > > me,
> > > I never mean to hurt anyone's feelings or make
> > > anyone
> > > uncomfortable...YOU are an angel... I know we
> all
> > do
> > > the best we can with what we can and we all feel
> > the
> > > same things, love, compassion, tenderness for
> > these
> > > guys in need.
> > > "The more need they have, the more we feel."
> > > I do love the people here too, because they are
> > just
> > > so special. I should be so good as to be doing
> > what
> > > you do.
> > > Love from Nebraska, Glenda
> > > --- Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I
> > > first
> > > > of all want to say that I too am not one for
> > > > declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come
> > in
> > > > already declawed and yes they are declawed if
> > they
> > > > are not too old.As much as I hate to say
> > it,people
> >
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