I know we give Thuja on the day of any vaccinations to help the body deal with 
that stress and the immune response.  I have the dose at home and can't 
remember it now.  Dr. Maier says Thuja is a must to have on hand when doing 
rescue work.  It's also given to any cat that had vaccs in the past to try to 
detox.  It's for detoxing mainly.  I'm not an expert so I don't know if it can 
be used for post-surgery reasons or not?  Altho I did buy the cat rescue kit of 
homepathic meds from Washington Homeopathy and the book Dr. Maier recommended 
on homeopathic care for cats.  I can look thru the book tonight to see if there 
are any remedies to be given post-surgery.  And the good thing with homeopathy 
is that it's not like it's prescribing drugs or anything- everything is safe 
and can be used in conjunction with conventional care and conventional drugs.  
We regularly use the "cat nap" spray from Dr. Maier all the time to reduce 
stress- it's aromaptherapy for cats.  I have a warm humidifier I use in my room 
and instead of putting liquid Vicks in the reservoir, I would pour the cat nap 
in it!  The Late Great Possum (Possee) LOVED IT!  He must have been so cold all 
the time and he worshipped the humidifier and I'sm sure the aromatherapy helped 
b/c that little guy never knew anything was wrong with him!  
I think Dr. Maier relies mostly on her homemade flower essences for stress and 
I guess store bought Rescue Remedy can always be used if you don't have a 
homeopathic vet to mix up an individualized formula for you.  
I know some people say it doesn't work, but the last thing I put in Monkee's 
mouth literally as he was dying in my arms and struggling to breathe was Dr. 
Maier's flower essences (I didn't know what else to do- it was terrifying) and 
I swear those eased his passing b/c it did happen so fast and he struggled very 
briefly.  Then of course my mom and I both started spraying Rescue Rem in our 
own mouths (b/c she was with me when Monkee died) and we were verging on 
hysteria.  I swear up and down it helped.  But sometimes I think it has to be 
at the height of one of these situations for you to REALIZE it helped- like an 
extreme situation.
gosh, sorry I'm such a downer lately!  Just a rough few months you know?  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: fixing a leukemia kittyDate: 
Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:38:59 -0600Caroline, 

What did your holistic vet say about remedies to give a cat under going stress? 
 I know Dr. Maier has a number she uses but I am out of touch with them.   They 
could help reduce the stress and reverse any drugs given.  I will never 
vaccinate Dixie given her status.  She is perfectly healthy and an indoor cat.  
I'll take my chances with any diseases she might possibly pick up.    

On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

If he's healthy now, then do it.  Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of 
times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma.  
Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or 
otherwise.  But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher.  This is what my 
cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg).  If neutering would 
further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting 
him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances 
of getting some time of cancer.  And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler 
operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there 
are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with 
spaying).  The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through 
fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any 
problems.  And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the 
catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they 
can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and 
getting love and affection, will be fine.caroline 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: fixing a leukemia kittyDate: 
Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600
Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 
20 years, had a problem.
At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle 
would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered 
male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already <potentially> immune 
We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a 
temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the 
vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was 
already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut 
open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could 
not find a spay scar).
I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in 
good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not 
vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at 
all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the 
vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks 
it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he 
doesn't want a poor result.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynne
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty

Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind.  He's scheduled to go 
in this Friday.  The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it.  If it were a 
spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more 
complicated surgery.  I still have tomorrow to reconsider.  I would definitely 
be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that 
neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other 
cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go.  I do not want him to be 
wanting to go out.  The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs 
and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place 
and get the smell out.  We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this 
room.  The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but 
once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do.  What do the rest 
of you think.  Should I hold off on this surgery?  Boo is somewhere between 4 
and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him.
Thanks Dorothy for your input.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dorothy Noble
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM
Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty

I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend -
I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in 
I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was 
inquiring about cats that they had.  I asked if they would be spayed or 
neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO.  She said that if they 
were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery 
on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems.  (I chose 
to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like 
my cats to be altered.)
Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your 
friend during a surgery!

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