As a small game hunter myself, however, I can understand why one might be upset
with the system of eating certain animals and not others. I know in countries
overseas like Thialand, China, and Korea they acutally eat dogs and cats, so I
can understand your sensitivity when you refer to a rabbit/chicken having a
difference of opinion. Since starting this group I joined Change.org in hopes
that by signing my name I might be able to make a change, however, the country
girl in my can't kick the deer steaks and my all time favirote snapper turtle,
but I do respect your choice to be an "omnivour".
~ * Joslin Irene *~
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From: Lee Evans <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or
not. The main thing is that humans are omnivorous. We can survive quite
nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products. Killing a
chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he
doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right. I can't
do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to
live. It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant
tomatoes and pumpkins. I applaud farming, especially organic farming. But
raising a 700 pound pig or steer called "Baby" and then winning over a
thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea
of teaching kids ethics. What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to
send your friend off to be slaughtered. Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when
the final day comes
and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed.
Even the money is not solace. So what type of lesson do they learn? That they
have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder. Think about
how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats
for food is acceptable. Why do we consider some animals food and some as
respected companions and family members? When you think about that, maybe you
won't be a 4H enthusiast any more.
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors
too!
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From: Joslin Potter <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders
to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an
outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in
the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and
it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an
advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning
up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess
it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens
for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become
dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it
was "home grown" without chemicals, and the chicken is food.
~ * Joslin Irene *~
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From: Natalie <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize
children's feelings for animals!
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and
think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer
because I would have to kill the animals. One
look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to
trust us for
food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from
some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you
meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are
smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on
4H. They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and
then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter. A betrayal is ever I
saw one.
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