Christopher, my personal likes and needs- and yours, are precisely the point! As I said in my original post- (which sparked Denis's response which created this thread)- I do not want or need anything more complex than Fin 2001 for my usage. My son has a watch which tells the time- in all time zones, has a built in calculator, stop watch, diving depth(??) day/date in three languages and knobs all round it. It weighs about half a kilo and is as big as a thick slice of apple! Mine (bought from Finale)tells the time, and has a USB built in the strap for transporting scores, files, lists etc to and from rehearsals. Horses for courses- simple. My mobile phone is a 'phone, full stop. My son's plays music, accesses internet, has a built-in computer- (with almost as much memory as my PC) is a camera, a voice recorder, palm pilot and God knows what else. It also cost 11 times as much as mine! It does not take or make 'phone calls better than mine. At no time have I said the 'power users' of Finale were wrong or in error in any way. I - like many other listers I'm sure, do not make a living (or ANY money) from using Finale. My arrangements are 99% for band, and strictly in house use. Like most of us, I probably break (or certainly bend) the various copyright laws occasionally. My arrangement of Jingle Bells for brass sextet goes down a treat at the old folks homes and shopping centres! Therefore if someone were to ask me to 'do' a piece with circles, tapers, and other geegaws (love that word!) I could - and would, simply say "No can do".
Oh, regarding cadenzas- yes I write them, using "Ignore extra notes in measure" in Simple System. And Brittany? Her millions say she is very successful at HER brand of "music"- (I use the word very loosely!) Liberace laughed- literally- all the way to the bank! Anyway, nice to talk to you! Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2007 12:32 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] e mails On Jun 20, 2007, at 7:09 PM, keith helgesen wrote: > Your site simply proves my point. > I freely admit I like music in straight lines! Well, your (or my) personal likes are not really the point. A bunch of us who use Finale need to be able to accommodate odd requests from composers we don't particularly like (the request, I mean, not the composer!) and need the tool to do it with. > I don't want or need staggered barlines, Britten's "A Young Person's Guide To THe Orchestra" would be undoable then. It isn't that far-out a work. "Roundabout" by Yes uses superimposed time signatures, and it got a lot of radio play when I was a teenager. Some modern, but very listenable, jazz uses superimposed time signatures these days. Robin Eubanks, Chris Potter, Andy Milne, are some of my favourites. Since you mentioned Charlie Parker, you might really enjoy Chris Potter's music. He's really not difficult at all to someone who can understand Parker. > Un-metered music? Not my scene- You've never played a cadenza? A recitative in an oratorio or opera? No early music either? > and I suspect that there are a lot of > Finale-ists out there who would never use 'circles', 'tapers' etc. I go a fair amount of time between needs like that myself, but I want to be ABLE to do it when I need to! I recently did a rather conservative hymn-like choral setting, and adding a extra eighth note to one of the verses (multiple verses stacked below one staff) proved to be a real kludge in Finale! The extra eighth note was reduced in size, you see, and the syllable kept reducing with it, and if I put it in another layer Finale thought it was a melisma and added an extension line, and the hyphen didn't work... arrggh! I really didn't expect to get so hung up on such a simple departure from the norm. I can only imagine what people like jef chippewa and Dennis B-K go through on a regular basis. > > I want to produce printed music for a band, orchestra or smaller > combos to > play, enjoy playing and for Joe Public to enjoy listening to. > And every once in a while one needs to do something unusual, and shouldn't be hampered by the tools. I could take exception to the implication that some of the notation techniques mentioned thus far could somehow cause the music to be unenjoyable to listen to by the lay public, but that would just be starting a fight. > The question of Brahms v Stockhausen? I wouldn't know- but check > the sales > figures of recordings of both! > You aren't seriously saying that SALES figures are a valid criteria by which to judge music? I only mention Britney Spears for comparison... Christopher _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
