Darcy that heightens my dilemma in a way, that the two of you disagree, 
although it's also reassuring.

I needed to check with arrangers outside of my local scene.  It's good to know 
that what I have been writing isn't completely wrong. In future, I'll notate on 
a case by case situation. 

- Nigel Hanley


On 28/09/2011, at 2:48 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

> Hi Nigel, Chuck,
> 
> I concur with Chuck that if you are separating into layers, then pedal hihat 
> "chiks" should be notated below the staff, in the stems-down layer. But I 
> don't recall ever seeing a drum part split into layers using Chuck's "hands 
> up, feed down" method. It's not that it's not logical -- it makes perfect 
> sense -- but in my experience, it's not standard. The more usual split seems 
> to be cymbals (except pedal hihat) stems up, everything else stems down. 
> 
> Though as I said, my practice, which drummers definitely seem to prefer, is 
> to put everything in a single, stems-up layer.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - DJA
> -----
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> 
> 
> 
> On 27 Sep 2011, at 12:37 PM, Nigel Hanley wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Chuck and Darcy, you have together proven my dilemma. I'm in 
>> Australia, and was always led to believe in the hand drums, stems up, and 
>> foot drums stems down system. Apparently this isn't gospel truth. I can see 
>> both arguments, so I'm pleased to hear both sides.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>> Nigel Hanley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/09/2011, at 2:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>> 
>>> My experience is that drummers like *everything* in their part written the 
>>> same layer -- hihat/cymbal, snare, toms, bass drum, etc -- all with stems 
>>> up. It's much easier to see how things line up that way. Most drumers do 
>>> not like having the part separated into multiple layers.
>>> 
>>> However, if you are going to separate into layers, it should definitely be 
>>> hat/cymbals in the stems-up layer, and everything else stems down. I've 
>>> never seen snare written in the cymbals layer, it (obviously) belongs to 
>>> the drum layer.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> - DJA
>>> -----
>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27 Sep 2011, at 12:06 PM, Nigel Hanley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Is there a consensus as to whether drum parts should be written with the 
>>>> snare in the same voice/layer as the kick drum, as opposed to being part 
>>>> of the hi-hat/cymbal layer?
>>>> 
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