Jon wrote:
> I've been through a dozen of these posts about 1.4's UX (wherein I
> learned that the developer takes quite an attitude toward
> "complainers," "whiners," and layabout do-no-gooders, so I'll expect a
> witty retort that the developer's been through millions of them).  I
> wholeheartedly agree with the points above.   I'll make a bullet list
> of wishes, since I want you to know I take this seriously and I'm not
> a "whiner".  Also I hope to be listened to.  I generally love Firebug
> and have written emails complimenting it, and I have thanked the devs
> for their hard work and a great useful tool.  So here we go:
>
> - Lose the "on/off" functionality.  *Since this is an add-on* the
> close button shouldn't "quit", or change settings in the background,
> etc etc.  Want to quit Firebug? Tools->Add-ons->Disable.
>   
this is worse then what is going on now. You must restart firefox to 
have plugins disabled and enabled. and unfortunatly due to the nature of 
firebug being a debug utility, it dramatically slows down webpages. Up 
to atleast 2x slower. Turning FB on and off is a common occurance, and 
having to restart my browser everytime for thsi just doesn't make any sense.
> - Go back to the old "visible/invisible paradigm" rather than the new
> "off/minimize" paradigm.  Call what you now consider the "Minimize"
> button's functionality the "Close" button.  The "minimize" feature is
> superfluous if the "close" button does what any other addon's "close"
> button does, which is disappear (but continue to work for us when we
> need it in a few minutes.)
>   
i agree, i like the its on or its off, no minimize. if i want more 
screen realiestate i just detach FB from the tab
> - Firebug should run all panels, by default, for any domain, on any
> web page, on any tab.  We can always set the preferences to "disable
> for all pages" or "enable for all pages"
>   
ummm no, firebug makes your html and css and js rendering super slow, as 
it checks and tracks all of this.
> - The Net tab should show me all the requests that have been going on
> before I displayed firebug, that means what happened while minimized,
> without refreshing the page.  I thought this was the way it worked
> before which is why I'm surprised we need to refresh now.  Did it not
> work that way before?  Regardless, Firebug should always have been
> paying attention.  The resources are minimal to do this and un-
> streamlining the add-on to gain 20K of resources is a poor trade.
>   
the internets don't work like that. There is more to resources then just 
RAM overhead. such as cpu cycles and networking stuff, as well as i/o 
bandwidth and such. How is firebug going to know about something when 
its not activated, coding ESP is not feasible. Im a big fan of not 
having software of plugis sniff my network connections with out me 
telliong it to do so on a specific address.
> - You seem to be convinced that people need to get used to new button
> placement even if they were poorly placed to begin with.  You can
> categorize the interface as mimicking a standalone application
> (minimize restore and close, _ [] X), but you can also categorize this
> as an addon with its own rules as before - Plus if you keep moving
> buttons around and you piss off your current users simply to gain
> (millions of brand new???) users.
>   
who cares long as it does the job its not like anyone is paying for thsi 
shyt neways.

~kara
> >
>
>   


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