On Aug 5, 3:09 pm, Kara Rawson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > - Lose the "on/off" functionality.  *Since this is an add-on* the
> > close button shouldn't "quit", or change settings in the background,
> > etc etc.  Want to quit Firebug? Tools->Add-ons->Disable.
>
> this is worse then what is going on now. You must restart firefox to
> have plugins disabled and enabled. and unfortunatly due to the nature of
> firebug being a debug utility, it dramatically slows down webpages. Up
> to atleast 2x slower. Turning FB on and off is a common occurance, and
> having to restart my browser everytime for thsi just doesn't make any sense.

Hmm.. this question sort of led up into the next one.  I agree
"minimizing" is common but turning it completely off is preferential,
and I prefer it stick around like it did before.

> - Go back to the old "visible/invisible paradigm" rather than the new
> > "off/minimize" paradigm.  Call what you now consider the "Minimize"
> > button's functionality the "Close" button.  The "minimize" feature is
> > superfluous if the "close" button does what any other addon's "close"
> > button does, which is disappear (but continue to work for us when we
> > need it in a few minutes.)
>
> i agree, i like the its on or its off, no minimize. if i want more
> screen realiestate i just detach FB from the tab

cool

> - Firebug should run all panels, by default, for any domain, on any
> > web page, on any tab.  We can always set the preferences to "disable
> > for all pages" or "enable for all pages"
>
> ummm no, firebug makes your html and css and js rendering super slow, as
> it checks and tracks all of this.

I'm not seeing a slowdown.

> - The Net tab should show me all the requests that have been going on
> > before I displayed firebug, that means what happened while minimized,
> > without refreshing the page.  I thought this was the way it worked
> > before which is why I'm surprised we need to refresh now.  Did it not
> > work that way before?  Regardless, Firebug should always have been
> > paying attention.  The resources are minimal to do this and un-
> > streamlining the add-on to gain 20K of resources is a poor trade.
>
> the internets don't work like that. There is more to resources then just
> RAM overhead. such as cpu cycles and networking stuff, as well as i/o
> bandwidth and such. How is firebug going to know about something when
> its not activated, coding ESP is not feasible. Im a big fan of not
> having software of plugis sniff my network connections with out me
> telliong it to do so on a specific address.

I've been a developer for a long time.  I want the net tab to be
running if firebug is installed.  What kind of system are you running?

> - You seem to be convinced that people need to get used to new button
> > placement even if they were poorly placed to begin with.  You can
> > categorize the interface as mimicking a standalone application
> > (minimize restore and close, _ [] X), but you can also categorize this
> > as an addon with its own rules as before - Plus if you keep moving
> > buttons around and you piss off your current users simply to gain
> > (millions of brand new???) users.
>
> who cares long as it does the job its not like anyone is paying for thsi
> shyt neways.

doing the job is not as important as doing the job well.  air is free
too.  i'd like it to be clean.
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