On 18.04.2008 19:24:05 Vincent Hennebert wrote: > Jeremias Maerki wrote: > > On 18.04.2008 16:51:37 Vincent Hennebert wrote: > >> Jeremias Maerki wrote: > >>> On 18.04.2008 12:48:53 Vincent Hennebert wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> A few comments: > >>>> > >>>> - some time ago I created a BreakUtil class in the o.a.f.util package. > >>>> I think this class and KeepUtil should be put in the same place. > >>>> Perhaps we could even merge them into a unique KeepsAndBreaksUtil > >>>> class. I don’t really know what the best place would be. I put it in > >>>> o.a.f.util because it already contains all sorts of utility classes, > >>>> but o.a.f.layoutmgr would also make sense. WDYT? > >>> Whatever. > >> I let you choose, but please take care of this. > > > > "Whatever" means: I don't care and you can fix this if it is important > > to you. > > Yeah, sure, let’s all do our own mess in our own corner and everything > will be fine. > > I’m not asking you to finish my work, so please don’t ask me to finish > yours. You created a class that’s closely related to another existing > one that’s somewhere else; it’s your responsibility to try and maintain > some coherence in the codebase by fixing this. > > Give me any good reason for not doing this simple thing, other than that > you don’t care or you don’t have enough time, and I’m shutting up > straight away. But you can’t call for contributors on one side and not > do even the most basic cleaning behind you on the other side.
Ok, let's do it this way: If one other FOP committers says that this (Vincent's idea) is something I should do, I'll do it. No discussion. Otherwise, it's 1:1 and I won't waste my time on something I don't think helps in any way. Remember, this is a democracy and a meritocracy here. http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#meritocracy http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#committers We've had a long discussion together around this last week during ApacheCon. IMO, you're going too far now. I increasingly feel like I'm your bitch. Today alone I lost almost half a day because I was too angry to work. I couldn't concentrate on what I should have been looking into. It's ok if you point out bugs and if I fix them because the bug is one of mine. I'm actually grateful for that. It's something else entirely if you have some idea and expect me to do the work. For free, notabene. I can also send you an invoice. In that case, I don't mind the additional work. OTOH, if I'm creating a mess here, maybe I should leave the project in order not to damage it any more because I care about it. Or better revert all my changes on Trunk in the last 3 years to undo the damage. Sorry for getting sarcastic, but it's not that far off. The other option: we could to switch to R-T-C: http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ReviewThenCommit The PMC can decide to do that. That way we're always sure the community stands behind every change. But of course, you know what that would mean for the project. FOP community, if you think I drifted out of line lately, please set me straight. Vincent's voice is only one. I know this scene here is ugly and nobody wants to waste his precious free time on participating in fights between two people. The fight also doesn't help the project at all. Quite the opposite. In the case of Avalon...... Anyway, I keep finding myself in confrontations with team members from time to time. At this time, I'm seriously questioning myself and I'm not sure if that's just me and my thick head, if I care too much about the project, or if I simply have more attack area because I'm one of the most active people here. Some hints would be great (on- or off-list). Please be frank. Thanks and my apologies for the ugly scene! Jeremias Maerki (whose boss is Jeremias and to a certain degree the XML Graphics PMC, but certainly not Vincent as an individual)
