Right now she's doing print. But in 6 months? I like to build for this
possibility. 

And I'm lazy and don't want to have to worry about what template is applied
and checking the xref formats to make sure it's all as it should be and... 

I'm not saying Nancy is wrong, I'm just giving my philosophy on what I
prefer to do.


sharon

Sharon Burton
IM: sharonvburton at yahoo.com
951-369-8590


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feimster [mailto:mike.feims...@acstechnologies.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:33 PM
To: sharon at anthrobytes.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cross-ref formats

Considering she's setting up a template for a print document, it makes
sense to include the page numbers in the x-ref formats.

If she's outputting to a different format, she can create a separate set
of x-ref definitions in the tool she is using to create her other
output.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:18 PM
To: 'Nancy Allison'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cross-ref formats

Given that more and more information is being repurposed, I've become
against making things fit the old printed model. 

The xref formats you describe are from print. But I'm thinking more and
more
of formatting and content as separate. 

I would set the xrefs as simple as possible in Frame to handle other
outputs. 

But that's just me. I'd rather not have writers trying to figure out
what to
use when and I'd really like to not have checking these formats in the
preproduction list. 


sharon

Sharon Burton
IM: sharonvburton at yahoo.com
951-369-8590

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cross-ref formats


Some follow-up questions:

1. I've been looking at the Chicago Manual, 15th edition. I'd expect a
great
honking treatment of this subject, but I'm not seeing it. All the
cross-reference i9nformation is presented with reference to indexes and
bibliographies. The sections referring to cross-references "in text" are
discussions of the editor's obligation to check cross-references!

Is there an exhaustive section on x-ref format, in text, that I'm
missing?

2. I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you , to discover just what a
stick-in-the-mud I really am. I thought italics were sacrosanct for
referring to the titles of separately bound publications. (Although how
purely electronic publications can be "bound" is a topic for another
day.)
But .. . you've all gotten over this hurdle and use italics to identify
cross-references? Like:  "See <open italics> Pots and Pans <close
italics>
on page 85," where "Pots and Pans" is a couple of paragraphs with header
in
a much longer chapter of a much larger *separately bound* publication,
whether physical or digital?

Really?

I must sit down.

In that case, do you also put your italicized x-refs in a different
color,
so as to distinguish them from the titles of separately bound
publications,
which you might also mention in your text? 

Thanks!

--Nancy



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