Considering she's setting up a template for a print document, it makes
sense to include the page numbers in the x-ref formats.

If she's outputting to a different format, she can create a separate set
of x-ref definitions in the tool she is using to create her other


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:framers-bounces at] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:18 PM
To: 'Nancy Allison'; framers at
Subject: RE: Cross-ref formats

Given that more and more information is being repurposed, I've become
against making things fit the old printed model. 

The xref formats you describe are from print. But I'm thinking more and
of formatting and content as separate. 

I would set the xrefs as simple as possible in Frame to handle other

But that's just me. I'd rather not have writers trying to figure out
what to
use when and I'd really like to not have checking these formats in the
preproduction list. 


Sharon Burton
IM: sharonvburton at

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:framers-bounces at] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
To: framers at
Subject: Re: Cross-ref formats

Some follow-up questions:

1. I've been looking at the Chicago Manual, 15th edition. I'd expect a
honking treatment of this subject, but I'm not seeing it. All the
cross-reference i9nformation is presented with reference to indexes and
bibliographies. The sections referring to cross-references "in text" are
discussions of the editor's obligation to check cross-references!

Is there an exhaustive section on x-ref format, in text, that I'm

2. I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you , to discover just what a
stick-in-the-mud I really am. I thought italics were sacrosanct for
referring to the titles of separately bound publications. (Although how
purely electronic publications can be "bound" is a topic for another
But .. . you've all gotten over this hurdle and use italics to identify
cross-references? Like:  "See <open italics> Pots and Pans <close
on page 85," where "Pots and Pans" is a couple of paragraphs with header
a much longer chapter of a much larger *separately bound* publication,
whether physical or digital?


I must sit down.

In that case, do you also put your italicized x-refs in a different
so as to distinguish them from the titles of separately bound
which you might also mention in your text? 




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