Excellent points, Scott and Rick. Someday I hope to be able to migrate to XML, but that day isn't going to be soon, I think. Small company, training time, you know the drill.
It's too bad for John that it sounds as if he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. I wish I knew of a way to get him out of it, but if his files are unstructured binary Frame, he's stuck. I am unaware of any program that imports Frame that wouldn't cause him the same issues he's having now. 🙁 (Mind you, that doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I've yet to come across it.) On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:07 PM Scott Prentice <[email protected]> wrote: > Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from > unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files. > You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same > problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the > way to XML, and maintain your source as XML, you are free to switch > tools at a moment's notice. > > Another option (someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read the > entire thread) .. would be to export to MIF at specific points along > your workflow. There are tools to convert from MIF to other formats. > > Cheers, > ...scott > > > On 2/11/19 12:50 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > > For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is > an > > advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured > > FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you > decide > > to move away from FrameMaker in the future. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Framers <[email protected]> > On > > Behalf Of [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files > > > > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that > kicks > > FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files. > > > > What do I know. Thanks everyone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Framers > > [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > Behalf Of Scott Prentice > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files > > > > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but > typically > > when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker > > available to export to a neutral format. > > > > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application > > for migration. > > > > ...scott > > > > > > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote: > >> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody > >> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users > >> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason. > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold > >> <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, John: > >>> > >>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to > >>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to > >>> Adobe. I use ID > >>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription. > >>> > >>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable > >>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list > >>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog > >>> through this effort going forward? > >>> > >>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of > >>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the > >>> computing environments where it's used have become serious > >>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc..... > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the > >>> issue. > >>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make > >>>> their edits. > >>>> > >>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be > >>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by > >>> connecting > >>>> to Adobe, and that's a problem. > >>>> > >>>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does > >>>> nothing. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada= > >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Gold > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM > >>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > >>>> [email protected]> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files > >>>> > >>>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any > >>> confusion. > >>>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save > >>>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network > >>> supports, > >>>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a > >>>> service? > >>>> > >>>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate > >>>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the DTP Tools - MIF > >>> Filter > >>>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to > >>>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and > >>>> abilities, > >>> the > >>>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and > >>>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts. > >>>> > >>>> HTH > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like > >>>>> FM installed on their network. > >>>>> > >>>>> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open > >>>>> native FM > >>>>> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the > >>>>> book paradigm? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> John Posada > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>> This message is from the Framers mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>> Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > >>>>> homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > >>>>> Subscribe and unsubscribe at > >>>>> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >>>>> Send administrative questions to [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> This message is from the Framers mailing list > >>>> > >>>> Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > >>>> homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > >>>> Subscribe and unsubscribe at > >>>> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >>>> Send administrative questions to [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *************************************************** > >>>> This message originated from the Internet. 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