Excellent points, Scott and Rick. Someday I hope to be able to migrate to
XML, but that day isn't going to be soon, I think. Small company, training
time, you know the drill.

It's too bad for John that it sounds as if he's stuck between a rock and a
hard place. I wish I knew of a way to get him out of it, but if his files
are unstructured binary Frame, he's stuck. I am unaware of any program that
imports Frame that wouldn't cause him the same issues he's having now. 🙁

(Mind you, that doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I've yet to come
across it.)

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:07 PM Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> wrote:

> Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from
> unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files.
> You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same
> problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the
> way to XML, and maintain your source as XML, you are free to switch
> tools at a moment's notice.
>
> Another option (someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read the
> entire thread) .. would be to export to MIF at specific points along
> your workflow. There are tools to convert from MIF to other formats.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 12:50 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> > For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is
> an
> > advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
> > FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you
> decide
> > to move away from FrameMaker in the future.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers <framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro....@lists.frameusers.com>
> On
> > Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> kicks
> > FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc....@lists.frameusers.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> typically
> > when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
> > available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
> > for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> >> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
> >> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
> >> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> >> <peter@petergold.photography>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, John:
> >>>
> >>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
> >>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> >>> Adobe. I use ID
> >>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
> >>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
> >>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
> >>> through this effort going forward?
> >>>
> >>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> >>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> >>> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> >>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.....
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM <john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> >>> issue.
> >>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
> >>>> their edits.
> >>>>
> >>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> >>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >>> connecting
> >>>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> >>>> nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> >>>> us.hsbc....@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> >>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> >>>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >>> confusion.
> >>>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save
> >>>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> >>> supports,
> >>>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> >>>> service?
> >>>>
> >>>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> >>>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> >>> Filter
> >>>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
> >>>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
> >>>> abilities,
> >>> the
> >>>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> >>>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >>>>
> >>>> HTH
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada <jposad...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
> >>>>> FM installed on their network.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> >>>>> native FM
> >>>>> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
> >>>>> book paradigm?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> John Posada
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