It's funny, I've learned the most in terms of creative skills and art making from ppl whose passion has a curmudgeonly streak, one earned from hard experience with the work. That's why I like this listserv.
Corollary - If my first concern is my own comfort, why did I become an artist? Jessica ***** http://www.drawclose.com > On Sep 25, 2015, at 8:30 PM, k. a.r. <a_r...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > '...I've been on this listserv for less than two hours, and I'm already > receiving emails comprised of snarky infighting and character > assassination.Honestly, it's my fault. I was warned. I've heard from many > sources, i.e. young experimental filmmakers, that this listserv was a space > of negativity, where people were shamed and attacked over the most innocuous > things...... > You should all maybe give this some thought.' > > hahaha oh wow. > I've been on this list since 96 or 97; in fact I got my first personal email > specifically to join it. > > Jona, if you think this is bad, you have NO. IDEA. lol > > Frameworks is quite tame these days, there have been some MASSIVE > disagreements, that went on and on for ever. > And many written by some quite verbose people. Lots and lots and LOTS of > words to make their point. > > It's too bad that your whole experience lasted 2 hours, because it makes me > wonder about the attention span of youth. > Is it really that much of an instant gratification generation that you get > in, judge, and get out so quickly? > That is really interesting to me. Some things take more time. A lot more time. > I wonder what this world is changing into, and what the future will be like, > with such an impatient generation. > Curious. > > Also, if you choose to focus on only the negative, that is what you get. > There are lots of posts, and honestly, I don't even notice that much > negativity these days..... > > Sooooo....you get what you look for, I guess. > I truly appreciate this list as a place to go to for giving and taking of > information, and it's a great community. > The film world would be a lesser place without it. > > MHO > > Kristie Reinders, B.F.A. > Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions > Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project > The Mission, San Francisco, CA > > 'A first class technician should work best under pressure.' > - - - Issac Asimov > > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 00:27:55 -0600 > From: jonagerl...@gmail.com > To: email@example.com > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] NEW DIRECTOR NEEDED for Millennium Film Workshop > > Wow. I've been on this listserv for less than two hours, and I'm already > receiving emails comprised of snarky infighting and character assassination. > > Honestly, it's my fault. I was warned. I've heard from many sources, i.e. > young experimental filmmakers, that this listserv was a space of negativity, > where people were shamed and attacked over the most innocuous things. > > Still, as a new filmmaker who draws inspiration from the traditions of > experimental and independent film, I figured I'd sign up. I figured it > couldn't be that bad, that I could surely draw inspiration from artists with > a lifetime of experience, and that it could enrich my practice and inspire me. > > But, well, no. They were right, I was wrong. > > And I'm not trying to clog my inbox with old grudges and hostility. > > The writer Ben Marcus said: "Anyone who believes that you can make art from > language is part of a small, nearly-vanishing community, and we should all > form a wedge and march on the enemy." > > I think the basic sentiment applies to experimental film as well. > > You should all maybe give this some thought. > > Best, > > [unsubscribed] > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Sasha Janerus <sasha.jane...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Ah! Millennium Film Workshop! A vibrant arts organization! Though a while > back Kent Jones referred to it on a podcast as--and I quote--"a place that no > longer exists." It's like Brigadoon or something! > > As far as I know, MFW board elections are a couple years overdue. The present > board was elected as part of an effort to restore democratic member control > of MFW, which has always been mandated by the bylaws. So I'm not sure they > have the legal authority to hire anybody. It is they who need to be replaced. > > As a side note: I've heard Peter Kingsbury got the thirty grand he was after > for doing fuck all. True? Regardless, applicants are advised that there is > doubtless very little left to grift. And, if I know Lili, she'll want her cut > of whatever's left in the cushions. > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Lili White <l...@liliwhite.com> wrote: > Hello experimental Film World! Millennium Film Workshop > http://millenniumfilm.org/ > is looking for a NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR to take us into our 50th Year. PLEASE > SPREAD THE WORD AROUND! > We welcome queries from any competent person who would be responsible for the > successful leadership and management of the organization according to its > incorporating purpose, and the strategic direction set by its Board of > Directors and Members. This involves the planning and management of > MILLENNIUM's organizational, programming services, its finances, human > resources, and community relations. We ask that the candidate have a degree > in a related field and prefer some management experience in an arts, non > profit, or educational organization and that they have a knowledge and > understanding of Experimental cinema history and practice. > MFW statement of purpose (1967) - "To offer the non-commercial film artist > -of whatever experience, or proven degree of proficiency, and without > interference in either film-subject or style -the use without cost, or at > minimal cost, of the tools of filmmaking, instruction in filmmaking, and a > means of contacting others of like creative interest." > > PLEASE CONTACT the MFW BOARD's secretary, Lili White, for further > information: l...@millenniumfilm.org > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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