hear, hear. owen On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:04 AM, drawclose.com <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's funny, I've learned the most in terms of creative skills and art making > from ppl whose passion has a curmudgeonly streak, one earned from hard > experience with the work. That's why I like this listserv. > > Corollary - If my first concern is my own comfort, why did I become an artist? > > Jessica > > ***** > http://www.drawclose.com > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 8:30 PM, k. a.r. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> '...I've been on this listserv for less than two hours, and I'm already >> receiving emails comprised of snarky infighting and character >> assassination.Honestly, it's my fault. I was warned. I've heard from many >> sources, i.e. young experimental filmmakers, that this listserv was a space >> of negativity, where people were shamed and attacked over the most innocuous >> things...... >> You should all maybe give this some thought.' >> >> hahaha oh wow. >> I've been on this list since 96 or 97; in fact I got my first personal email >> specifically to join it. >> >> Jona, if you think this is bad, you have NO. IDEA. lol >> >> Frameworks is quite tame these days, there have been some MASSIVE >> disagreements, that went on and on for ever. >> And many written by some quite verbose people. Lots and lots and LOTS of >> words to make their point. >> >> It's too bad that your whole experience lasted 2 hours, because it makes me >> wonder about the attention span of youth. >> Is it really that much of an instant gratification generation that you get >> in, judge, and get out so quickly? >> That is really interesting to me. Some things take more time. A lot more >> time. >> I wonder what this world is changing into, and what the future will be like, >> with such an impatient generation. >> Curious. >> >> Also, if you choose to focus on only the negative, that is what you get. >> There are lots of posts, and honestly, I don't even notice that much >> negativity these days..... >> >> Sooooo....you get what you look for, I guess. >> I truly appreciate this list as a place to go to for giving and taking of >> information, and it's a great community. >> The film world would be a lesser place without it. >> >> MHO >> >> Kristie Reinders, B.F.A. >> Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions >> Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project >> The Mission, San Francisco, CA >> >> 'A first class technician should work best under pressure.' >> - - - Issac Asimov >> >> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 00:27:55 -0600 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] NEW DIRECTOR NEEDED for Millennium Film Workshop >> >> Wow. I've been on this listserv for less than two hours, and I'm already >> receiving emails comprised of snarky infighting and character assassination. >> >> Honestly, it's my fault. I was warned. I've heard from many sources, i.e. >> young experimental filmmakers, that this listserv was a space of negativity, >> where people were shamed and attacked over the most innocuous things. >> >> Still, as a new filmmaker who draws inspiration from the traditions of >> experimental and independent film, I figured I'd sign up. I figured it >> couldn't be that bad, that I could surely draw inspiration from artists with >> a lifetime of experience, and that it could enrich my practice and inspire >> me. >> >> But, well, no. They were right, I was wrong. >> >> And I'm not trying to clog my inbox with old grudges and hostility. >> >> The writer Ben Marcus said: "Anyone who believes that you can make art from >> language is part of a small, nearly-vanishing community, and we should all >> form a wedge and march on the enemy." >> >> I think the basic sentiment applies to experimental film as well. >> >> You should all maybe give this some thought. >> >> Best, >> >> [unsubscribed] >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Sasha Janerus <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Ah! Millennium Film Workshop! A vibrant arts organization! Though a while >> back Kent Jones referred to it on a podcast as--and I quote--"a place that >> no longer exists." It's like Brigadoon or something! >> >> As far as I know, MFW board elections are a couple years overdue. The >> present board was elected as part of an effort to restore democratic member >> control of MFW, which has always been mandated by the bylaws. So I'm not >> sure they have the legal authority to hire anybody. It is they who need to >> be replaced. >> >> As a side note: I've heard Peter Kingsbury got the thirty grand he was after >> for doing fuck all. True? Regardless, applicants are advised that there is >> doubtless very little left to grift. And, if I know Lili, she'll want her >> cut of whatever's left in the cushions. >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Lili White <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello experimental Film World! Millennium Film Workshop >> http://millenniumfilm.org/ >> is looking for a NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR to take us into our 50th Year. >> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD AROUND! >> We welcome queries from any competent person who would be responsible for >> the successful leadership and management of the organization according to >> its incorporating purpose, and the strategic direction set by its Board of >> Directors and Members. This involves the planning and management of >> MILLENNIUM's organizational, programming services, its finances, human >> resources, and community relations. We ask that the candidate have a degree >> in a related field and prefer some management experience in an arts, non >> profit, or educational organization and that they have a knowledge and >> understanding of Experimental cinema history and practice. >> MFW statement of purpose (1967) - "To offer the non-commercial film artist >> -of whatever experience, or proven degree of proficiency, and without >> interference in either film-subject or style -the use without cost, or at >> minimal cost, of the tools of filmmaking, instruction in filmmaking, and a >> means of contacting others of like creative interest." >> >> PLEASE CONTACT the MFW BOARD's secretary, Lili White, for further >> information: [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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