''Believe me, I like a good millennial smackdown...'' But it seems not as much as we do. :)
2015-09-26 15:54 GMT-04:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com>: > ''Is there anything we could do to improve things? To intervene?'' > > Maybe by joining- > > ''Millennium is a member-based organization.* Members are encouraged to > participate in operations and leadership, discuss and decide strategic > direction, and annually elect the governing board*.'' > > http://millenniumfilm.org/membershipandsupport/ > > 2015-09-26 13:04 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley <wall...@denison.edu>: > >> Hi folks, >> >> We’ve really gone down the rabbit hole on this one. Between the detailed >> analyses of Jona Gerlach’s identity and self-righteous tsk-tsk-ing emails >> to an author who isn’t even on the list anymore, it might strike some that >> the gentlemen and ladies of Frameworks doth protest too much. >> >> A little googling finds the name Jona Gerlach deep in staff lists of >> several film festivals and as the author of a handful of online DVD >> reviews, among other things. So I think we can take the initial email at >> face value - a young filmmaker who joined Frameworks to connect with a >> larger film community. And saying that listservs are irrelevant to young >> people is like saying 16mm is irrelevant to them, which isn’t the case and >> is a little dangerous to assume, I think. >> >> None of this is to defend someone who joins an email list and jumps off >> it immediately because of a single negative email. Many of the responses >> make good points, but they remind me of the Seinfeld episode where George >> obsesses over how he *could* have responded to a work colleague’s insult >> at a staff meeting, then goes to absurd lengths to re-create the >> confrontation so he can use the retort he comes up with. >> >> Anyway, all this has turned our attention from problems at Millennium to >> problems with millennials, which I think are much less interesting and >> productive for us to be talking about. Is there any foundation to the >> original accusations? Is there anything we could do to improve things? To >> intervene? At the very least, is there a more objective account of what’s >> gone on at Millennium that we might be able to read and discuss? >> >> Believe me, I like a good millennial smackdown, but I can’t help feeling >> that we’ve come off looking just a little silly on the back of this >> flare-up. >> Just my two cents - best wishes to everyone. >> Jonathan >> >> Dr. Jonathan Walley >> Associate Professor and Chair >> Department of Cinema >> Denison University >> wall...@denison.edu >> >> >> On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Francisco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> ''Is it really that much of an instant gratification generation that you >> get in, judge, and get out so quickly?'' >> Millennials...There should be a horror movie titled ''Children of the >> Yuppies''. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2015-09-26 3:46 GMT-04:00 Dave Tetzlaff <djte...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Francisco Torres wrote: >>> >>> I figured it couldn't be that bad, that I could surely draw inspiration >>> from artists with a lifetime of experience, and that it could enrich my >>> practice and inspire me. >>> >>> >>> Do people really talk like THAT? Is this guy for real? >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. Maybe not. Could be a troll post: a parody of a spoiled millenial >>> squawk writing style intended to get older FRAMEWORKERS to react with >>> dyspeptic curmudgeonous, and the author is sitting back giggling at the >>> thread. Googling 'Jona Gerlach' yields no likely suspect for the post: just >>> a Facebook page of a student in Germany with no apparent interest in film >>> (and the post doesn't read as ESL), and a Twitter account with all of two >>> short original tweets, both apparently snarky replies to existing threads: >>> "you just broke the toilet" and "really excited about the hookers". But >>> maybe it's a fake of a different kind... >>> >>> The thing is, I don't know why anyone who's heard about FRAMEWORKS "from >>> many sources" would imagine this is a place to "draw inspiration from >>> artists with a lifetime of experience" yada yada yada, or that ANY listserv >>> would offer such an experience. Posts that discuss the ART of experimental >>> film only show up here once in a blue moon. That's natural. It's a deep >>> subject, and email lists are filled with short quickly fired-off little >>> notes on stuff that doesn't take a lot of time to think about. We get >>> announcements, tech questions, requests to fill out silly lists of films >>> fitting some vague and over-broad one-line definition... >>> >>> If you want inspirational substance, you watch the damn films (get hip >>> to bit-torrent of you don't live near NY, London, or some other cultural >>> capital), read Scott MacDonald's interview collections, Google the websites >>> that have actual critical essays discussing relevant filmmakers... >>> >>> I honestly can't imagine thin-skinned millenial cry babies would even >>> know what a LISTSERV is, much less lower themselves and take time away from >>> Twitter and Instagram to read and post on one. Shit, Facebook is for >>> dinosaurs, which makes us, I dunno, the promordial ooze of the information >>> age or something. >>> >>> Now, perhaps Sasha Janerus -- who Google reveals to be an actual person >>> in the NYC film scene, having curated a couple screenings co-sponsored by >>> MFW (assuming the post to which 'Jona' replied is from that 'real Sasha >>> Janerus' -- one never knows) -- would have some insight on who might >>> respond to her post under a pseudonym, to complain about 'negativity, >>> people being shamed and attacked over the most innocuous things, old >>> grudges and hostilities...' and call for us all to unite together into a >>> flying wedge charging the enemies of experimental film. Like bitching at >>> FRAMEWORKERS and unsubscribing after two hours is a step in that direction. >>> >>> Maybe somebody associated with Millenium is a little butt-hurt at >>> Janerus's allegations? >>> >>> Somebody who's been a party to old grudges and hostilities, even? >>> >>> Is it just me, or is it more than "innocuous" if someone is "grifting" >>> around phantom remains of one of the most important institutions in the >>> history of our obscure little corner of artistic practice? >>> >>> I know bupkis about doings at MFW, present or past, so Janerus's post >>> could be nothing more than gossipy shade for all I know. But someone trying >>> to present such matters as "innocuous", rather than just calling out >>> Janerus for being full of BS, makes me wonder if those doing are indeed not >>> innocuous at all. >>> >>> [Seriously, I don't shit about any of these people or the history at >>> issue. I just 'smell' ... something... in the words of the exchange. I just >>> got off jury duty, and my sniffer may be over-sensitized as a result. So if >>> I'm showing a bit of unwarranted paranoia here, forgive me... but with the >>> craze for The Donald still being A Thing, dark imaginings do tend to run >>> through the mind, eh?] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >
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