Francisco Torres wrote:

>> I figured it couldn't be that bad, that I could surely draw inspiration from 
>> artists with a lifetime of experience, and that it could enrich my practice 
>> and inspire me.
> 
> Do people really talk like THAT? Is this guy for real?

Hmmm. Maybe not. Could be a troll post: a parody of a spoiled millenial squawk 
writing style intended to get older FRAMEWORKERS to react with dyspeptic 
curmudgeonous, and the author is sitting back giggling at the thread. Googling 
'Jona Gerlach' yields no likely suspect for the post: just a Facebook page of a 
student in Germany with no apparent interest in film (and the post doesn't read 
as ESL), and a Twitter account with all of two short original tweets, both 
apparently snarky replies to existing threads: "you just broke the toilet" and 
"really excited about the hookers". But maybe it's a fake of a different 
kind... 

The thing is, I don't know why anyone who's heard about FRAMEWORKS "from many 
sources" would imagine this is a place to "draw inspiration from artists with a 
lifetime of experience" yada yada yada, or that ANY listserv would offer such 
an experience. Posts that discuss the ART of experimental film only show up 
here once in a blue moon. That's natural. It's a deep subject, and email lists 
are filled with short quickly fired-off little notes on stuff that doesn't take 
a lot of time to think about. We get announcements, tech questions, requests to 
fill out silly lists of films fitting some vague and over-broad one-line 
definition...

If you want inspirational substance, you watch the damn films (get hip to 
bit-torrent of you don't live near NY, London, or some other cultural capital), 
read Scott MacDonald's interview collections, Google the websites that have 
actual critical essays discussing relevant filmmakers... 

I honestly can't imagine thin-skinned millenial cry babies would even know what 
a LISTSERV is, much less lower themselves and take time away from Twitter and 
Instagram to read and post on one. Shit, Facebook is for dinosaurs, which makes 
us, I dunno, the promordial ooze of the information age or something.

Now, perhaps Sasha Janerus -- who Google reveals to be an actual person in the 
NYC film scene, having curated a couple screenings co-sponsored by MFW 
(assuming the post to which 'Jona' replied is from that 'real Sasha Janerus' -- 
one never knows) -- would have some insight on who might respond to her post 
under a pseudonym, to complain about 'negativity, people being shamed and 
attacked over the most innocuous things, old grudges and hostilities...' and 
call for us all to unite together into a flying wedge charging the enemies of 
experimental film. Like bitching at FRAMEWORKERS and unsubscribing after two 
hours is a step in that direction. 

Maybe somebody associated with Millenium is a little butt-hurt at Janerus's 
allegations? 

Somebody who's been a party to old grudges and hostilities, even?

Is it just me, or is it more than "innocuous" if someone is "grifting" around 
phantom remains of one of the most important institutions in the history of our 
obscure little corner of artistic practice? 

I know bupkis about doings at MFW, present or past, so Janerus's post could be 
nothing more than gossipy shade for all I know. But someone trying to present 
such matters as "innocuous", rather than just calling out Janerus for being 
full of BS, makes me wonder if those doing are indeed not innocuous at all. 

[Seriously, I don't shit about any of these people or the history at issue. I 
just 'smell' ... something... in the words of the exchange. I just got off jury 
duty, and my sniffer may be over-sensitized as a result. So if I'm showing a 
bit of unwarranted paranoia here, forgive me...  but with the craze for The 
Donald still being A Thing, dark imaginings do tend to run through the mind, 
eh?]
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