''Is there anything we could do to improve things? To intervene?'' Maybe by joining-
''Millennium is a member-based organization.* Members are encouraged to participate in operations and leadership, discuss and decide strategic direction, and annually elect the governing board*.'' http://millenniumfilm.org/membershipandsupport/ 2015-09-26 13:04 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley <[email protected]>: > Hi folks, > > We’ve really gone down the rabbit hole on this one. Between the detailed > analyses of Jona Gerlach’s identity and self-righteous tsk-tsk-ing emails > to an author who isn’t even on the list anymore, it might strike some that > the gentlemen and ladies of Frameworks doth protest too much. > > A little googling finds the name Jona Gerlach deep in staff lists of > several film festivals and as the author of a handful of online DVD > reviews, among other things. So I think we can take the initial email at > face value - a young filmmaker who joined Frameworks to connect with a > larger film community. And saying that listservs are irrelevant to young > people is like saying 16mm is irrelevant to them, which isn’t the case and > is a little dangerous to assume, I think. > > None of this is to defend someone who joins an email list and jumps off it > immediately because of a single negative email. Many of the responses make > good points, but they remind me of the Seinfeld episode where George > obsesses over how he *could* have responded to a work colleague’s insult > at a staff meeting, then goes to absurd lengths to re-create the > confrontation so he can use the retort he comes up with. > > Anyway, all this has turned our attention from problems at Millennium to > problems with millennials, which I think are much less interesting and > productive for us to be talking about. Is there any foundation to the > original accusations? Is there anything we could do to improve things? To > intervene? At the very least, is there a more objective account of what’s > gone on at Millennium that we might be able to read and discuss? > > Believe me, I like a good millennial smackdown, but I can’t help feeling > that we’ve come off looking just a little silly on the back of this > flare-up. > Just my two cents - best wishes to everyone. > Jonathan > > Dr. Jonathan Walley > Associate Professor and Chair > Department of Cinema > Denison University > [email protected] > > > On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Francisco Torres <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > ''Is it really that much of an instant gratification generation that you > get in, judge, and get out so quickly?'' > Millennials...There should be a horror movie titled ''Children of the > Yuppies''. > > > > > > > 2015-09-26 3:46 GMT-04:00 Dave Tetzlaff <[email protected]>: > >> Francisco Torres wrote: >> >> I figured it couldn't be that bad, that I could surely draw inspiration >> from artists with a lifetime of experience, and that it could enrich my >> practice and inspire me. >> >> >> Do people really talk like THAT? Is this guy for real? >> >> >> Hmmm. Maybe not. Could be a troll post: a parody of a spoiled millenial >> squawk writing style intended to get older FRAMEWORKERS to react with >> dyspeptic curmudgeonous, and the author is sitting back giggling at the >> thread. Googling 'Jona Gerlach' yields no likely suspect for the post: just >> a Facebook page of a student in Germany with no apparent interest in film >> (and the post doesn't read as ESL), and a Twitter account with all of two >> short original tweets, both apparently snarky replies to existing threads: >> "you just broke the toilet" and "really excited about the hookers". But >> maybe it's a fake of a different kind... >> >> The thing is, I don't know why anyone who's heard about FRAMEWORKS "from >> many sources" would imagine this is a place to "draw inspiration from >> artists with a lifetime of experience" yada yada yada, or that ANY listserv >> would offer such an experience. Posts that discuss the ART of experimental >> film only show up here once in a blue moon. That's natural. It's a deep >> subject, and email lists are filled with short quickly fired-off little >> notes on stuff that doesn't take a lot of time to think about. We get >> announcements, tech questions, requests to fill out silly lists of films >> fitting some vague and over-broad one-line definition... >> >> If you want inspirational substance, you watch the damn films (get hip to >> bit-torrent of you don't live near NY, London, or some other cultural >> capital), read Scott MacDonald's interview collections, Google the websites >> that have actual critical essays discussing relevant filmmakers... >> >> I honestly can't imagine thin-skinned millenial cry babies would even >> know what a LISTSERV is, much less lower themselves and take time away from >> Twitter and Instagram to read and post on one. Shit, Facebook is for >> dinosaurs, which makes us, I dunno, the promordial ooze of the information >> age or something. >> >> Now, perhaps Sasha Janerus -- who Google reveals to be an actual person >> in the NYC film scene, having curated a couple screenings co-sponsored by >> MFW (assuming the post to which 'Jona' replied is from that 'real Sasha >> Janerus' -- one never knows) -- would have some insight on who might >> respond to her post under a pseudonym, to complain about 'negativity, >> people being shamed and attacked over the most innocuous things, old >> grudges and hostilities...' and call for us all to unite together into a >> flying wedge charging the enemies of experimental film. Like bitching at >> FRAMEWORKERS and unsubscribing after two hours is a step in that direction. >> >> Maybe somebody associated with Millenium is a little butt-hurt at >> Janerus's allegations? >> >> Somebody who's been a party to old grudges and hostilities, even? >> >> Is it just me, or is it more than "innocuous" if someone is "grifting" >> around phantom remains of one of the most important institutions in the >> history of our obscure little corner of artistic practice? >> >> I know bupkis about doings at MFW, present or past, so Janerus's post >> could be nothing more than gossipy shade for all I know. But someone trying >> to present such matters as "innocuous", rather than just calling out >> Janerus for being full of BS, makes me wonder if those doing are indeed not >> innocuous at all. >> >> [Seriously, I don't shit about any of these people or the history at >> issue. I just 'smell' ... something... in the words of the exchange. I just >> got off jury duty, and my sniffer may be over-sensitized as a result. So if >> I'm showing a bit of unwarranted paranoia here, forgive me... but with the >> craze for The Donald still being A Thing, dark imaginings do tend to run >> through the mind, eh?] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > >
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