''Is there anything we could do to improve things? To intervene?''
Maybe by joining-
''Millennium is a member-based organization.* Members are encouraged to
participate in operations and leadership, discuss and decide strategic
direction, and annually elect the governing board*.''
2015-09-26 13:04 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley <wall...@denison.edu>:
> Hi folks,
> We’ve really gone down the rabbit hole on this one. Between the detailed
> analyses of Jona Gerlach’s identity and self-righteous tsk-tsk-ing emails
> to an author who isn’t even on the list anymore, it might strike some that
> the gentlemen and ladies of Frameworks doth protest too much.
> A little googling finds the name Jona Gerlach deep in staff lists of
> several film festivals and as the author of a handful of online DVD
> reviews, among other things. So I think we can take the initial email at
> face value - a young filmmaker who joined Frameworks to connect with a
> larger film community. And saying that listservs are irrelevant to young
> people is like saying 16mm is irrelevant to them, which isn’t the case and
> is a little dangerous to assume, I think.
> None of this is to defend someone who joins an email list and jumps off it
> immediately because of a single negative email. Many of the responses make
> good points, but they remind me of the Seinfeld episode where George
> obsesses over how he *could* have responded to a work colleague’s insult
> at a staff meeting, then goes to absurd lengths to re-create the
> confrontation so he can use the retort he comes up with.
> Anyway, all this has turned our attention from problems at Millennium to
> problems with millennials, which I think are much less interesting and
> productive for us to be talking about. Is there any foundation to the
> original accusations? Is there anything we could do to improve things? To
> intervene? At the very least, is there a more objective account of what’s
> gone on at Millennium that we might be able to read and discuss?
> Believe me, I like a good millennial smackdown, but I can’t help feeling
> that we’ve come off looking just a little silly on the back of this
> Just my two cents - best wishes to everyone.
> Dr. Jonathan Walley
> Associate Professor and Chair
> Department of Cinema
> Denison University
> On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Francisco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com>
> ''Is it really that much of an instant gratification generation that you
> get in, judge, and get out so quickly?''
> Millennials...There should be a horror movie titled ''Children of the
> 2015-09-26 3:46 GMT-04:00 Dave Tetzlaff <djte...@gmail.com>:
>> Francisco Torres wrote:
>> I figured it couldn't be that bad, that I could surely draw inspiration
>> from artists with a lifetime of experience, and that it could enrich my
>> practice and inspire me.
>> Do people really talk like THAT? Is this guy for real?
>> Hmmm. Maybe not. Could be a troll post: a parody of a spoiled millenial
>> squawk writing style intended to get older FRAMEWORKERS to react with
>> dyspeptic curmudgeonous, and the author is sitting back giggling at the
>> thread. Googling 'Jona Gerlach' yields no likely suspect for the post: just
>> a Facebook page of a student in Germany with no apparent interest in film
>> (and the post doesn't read as ESL), and a Twitter account with all of two
>> short original tweets, both apparently snarky replies to existing threads:
>> "you just broke the toilet" and "really excited about the hookers". But
>> maybe it's a fake of a different kind...
>> The thing is, I don't know why anyone who's heard about FRAMEWORKS "from
>> many sources" would imagine this is a place to "draw inspiration from
>> artists with a lifetime of experience" yada yada yada, or that ANY listserv
>> would offer such an experience. Posts that discuss the ART of experimental
>> film only show up here once in a blue moon. That's natural. It's a deep
>> subject, and email lists are filled with short quickly fired-off little
>> notes on stuff that doesn't take a lot of time to think about. We get
>> announcements, tech questions, requests to fill out silly lists of films
>> fitting some vague and over-broad one-line definition...
>> If you want inspirational substance, you watch the damn films (get hip to
>> bit-torrent of you don't live near NY, London, or some other cultural
>> capital), read Scott MacDonald's interview collections, Google the websites
>> that have actual critical essays discussing relevant filmmakers...
>> I honestly can't imagine thin-skinned millenial cry babies would even
>> know what a LISTSERV is, much less lower themselves and take time away from
>> Twitter and Instagram to read and post on one. Shit, Facebook is for
>> dinosaurs, which makes us, I dunno, the promordial ooze of the information
>> age or something.
>> Now, perhaps Sasha Janerus -- who Google reveals to be an actual person
>> in the NYC film scene, having curated a couple screenings co-sponsored by
>> MFW (assuming the post to which 'Jona' replied is from that 'real Sasha
>> Janerus' -- one never knows) -- would have some insight on who might
>> respond to her post under a pseudonym, to complain about 'negativity,
>> people being shamed and attacked over the most innocuous things, old
>> grudges and hostilities...' and call for us all to unite together into a
>> flying wedge charging the enemies of experimental film. Like bitching at
>> FRAMEWORKERS and unsubscribing after two hours is a step in that direction.
>> Maybe somebody associated with Millenium is a little butt-hurt at
>> Janerus's allegations?
>> Somebody who's been a party to old grudges and hostilities, even?
>> Is it just me, or is it more than "innocuous" if someone is "grifting"
>> around phantom remains of one of the most important institutions in the
>> history of our obscure little corner of artistic practice?
>> I know bupkis about doings at MFW, present or past, so Janerus's post
>> could be nothing more than gossipy shade for all I know. But someone trying
>> to present such matters as "innocuous", rather than just calling out
>> Janerus for being full of BS, makes me wonder if those doing are indeed not
>> innocuous at all.
>> [Seriously, I don't shit about any of these people or the history at
>> issue. I just 'smell' ... something... in the words of the exchange. I just
>> got off jury duty, and my sniffer may be over-sensitized as a result. So if
>> I'm showing a bit of unwarranted paranoia here, forgive me... but with the
>> craze for The Donald still being A Thing, dark imaginings do tend to run
>> through the mind, eh?]
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