Never mind about Avant Garden, its already a clilche…..




> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Myron Ort <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> My auto spell check made a funny  “Avant Garden”  I like it…….
> its mine so don’t steal it…….
> probably already has been discovered….I will check…..
> 
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Myron Ort <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> To me there is the interesting question regarding which avant garden or 
>> experimental films obtained the rights for the music. Some maybe not at 
>> first but maybe later if the film became more widely known.
>> 
>> Not jazz, but I wondered if Kenneth Anger had the rights to all that pop 
>> music when Scorpio Rising first came out, likewise Bruce Conner’s “Cosmic 
>> Ray”, now that Bruce is blue chip museum material I am sure they have the 
>> obtained the rights especially since the major power of that film is the Ray 
>> Charles music but I have my doubts about those rights when first the film 
>> came out.   Harry Smith just put on his favorite album at the time Monk or 
>> whatever, likewise the early films of Joseph Cornell.  Smith’s early 
>> compilation of American Folk Music was likely very casual about rights at 
>> first, just using his collection of rare old 78 rpm material.  Does anyone 
>> actually know facts relating to all this. I think at some point I did read 
>> that Anger said he had rights to the pop music, but not exactly sure if that 
>> was true at the beginning.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Ryan Marino <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Albert,
>>> 
>>> The White Rose by Bruce Conner features music from Miles Davis's Sketches 
>>> of Spain. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> ryan
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Tamarit <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965)
>>> 
>>> Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction 
>>> feature films of the time.
>>> Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the life 
>>> of Charlie Parker.
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg>
>>> 
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>>> 2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W. <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>:
>>> I think I saw Michael Snow’s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I 
>>> don’t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a 
>>> show at Hallwall’s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a 
>>> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble 
>>> CCMC:
>>> 
>>> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html 
>>> <http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html>
>>> 
>>> FYI,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado 
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Albert,
>>>> 
>>>> What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the 
>>>> title. 
>>>> 
>>>> Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus 
>>>> for sure.
>>>> 
>>>> You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> Will keep thinking...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
>>>> Albert,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already 
>>>> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie 
>>>> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film Skyscraper by Clarke 
>>>> and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
>>>> 
>>>> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
>>>> 
>>>> Cry of Jazz (Ed Bland, 1959)
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz 
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz>
>>>> 
>>>> Jammin' The Blues (1944)
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2017-11-09 at 10.40.43 AM.png>
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde 
>>>> film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the 
>>>> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>>>> 
>>>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
>>>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music 
>>>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the 
>>>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or 
>>>> improvisation.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? 
>>>> 
>>>> Right my list is as follows:
>>>> 
>>>> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>>>> 
>>>> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>>>> 
>>>> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>>>> 
>>>> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>>>> 
>>>> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert 
>>>> Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> Albert Alcoz
>>>> 
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