Unquestionably they didn¹t have the rights to start, but it also wasn¹t a big issue. Rights for those films have become an issue when DVD editions were desired to be made. Reputable companies won¹t distribute DVDs without evidence of licenses (or fair use opinions from lawyers). I think since A-G films live below the commercial radar, most don¹t get rights.
From: Myron Ort <[email protected]> Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]>" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 11:55:18 -0800 To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]>" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film To me there is the interesting question regarding which avant garden or experimental films obtained the rights for the music. Some maybe not at first but maybe later if the film became more widely known. Not jazz, but I wondered if Kenneth Anger had the rights to all that pop music when Scorpio Rising first came out, likewise Bruce Conner¹s ³Cosmic Ray², now that Bruce is blue chip museum material I am sure they have the obtained the rights especially since the major power of that film is the Ray Charles music but I have my doubts about those rights when first the film came out. Harry Smith just put on his favorite album at the time Monk or whatever, likewise the early films of Joseph Cornell. Smith¹s early compilation of American Folk Music was likely very casual about rights at first, just using his collection of rare old 78 rpm material. Does anyone actually know facts relating to all this. I think at some point I did read that Anger said he had rights to the pop music, but not exactly sure if that was true at the beginning. > On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Ryan Marino <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Albert, > > The White Rose by Bruce Conner features music from Miles Davis's Sketches of > Spain. > > > best, > ryan > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Tamarit <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965) >> >> Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction >> feature films of the time. >> Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the life >> of Charlie Parker. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig >> n=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Libre de virus. www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig >> n=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> <x-msg://5/#m_-4859226210287393686_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> 2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W. <[email protected]>: >>> I think I saw Michael Snow¹s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I >>> don¹t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician. I saw a >>> show at Hallwall¹s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a >>> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble >>> CCMC: >>> >>> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html >>> >>> FYI, >>> Roger >>> >>>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Albert, >>>> >>>> What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the >>>> title. >>>> >>>> Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus >>>> for sure. >>>> >>>> You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong. >>>> >>>> Will keep thinking... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g <[email protected]> escribió: >>>>> Albert, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already >>>>> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie >>>>> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film Skyscraper by Clarke >>>>> and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves. >>>>> >>>>> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are: >>>>> >>>>> Cry of Jazz (Ed Bland, 1959) >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz >>>>> >>>>> Jammin' The Blues (1944) >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <Screen Shot 2017-11-09 at 10.40.43 AM.png> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde >>>>>> film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the >>>>>> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero. >>>>>> >>>>>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the >>>>>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music >>>>>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like >>>>>> the one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or >>>>>> improvisation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? >>>>>> >>>>>> Right my list is as follows: >>>>>> >>>>>> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson >>>>>> >>>>>> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie >>>>>> >>>>>> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk >>>>>> >>>>>> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman >>>>>> >>>>>> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert >>>>>> Ayler, Don Cherry, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>> >>>>>> Albert Alcoz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://visionaryfilm.net/ <http://www.visionaryfilm.net/> >>>>>> http://albertalcoz.com/ <http://www.albertalcoz.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>> -- >>>> Esperanza Collado >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> www.esperanzacollado.net <http://www.esperanzacollado.net/> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ignacio Tamarit >> Lumiton Museo Usina Audiovisual >> Cabral 2354, Munro, Vicente López. >> Tel.: 4721-9255. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Myron Ort www.zeno-okeanos,com _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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