Hi Fred, Yes Man with A Movie Camera is an important reference for the study, with those great images of Elizaveta Svillova editing with scissors. I’d be interested in any other films that show film being edited. I know of another that shows a a woman, which is Hail Caesar. There is a scene supposedly based upon Margaret Booth who worked for MGM until she was in her late 80s.
All best, Mary On 1 Dec 2018, at 22:24, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: > i was glad to hear of your interesting topic. I trust The Man With the Movie > Camera is included? > > Fred Camper > Chicago > > > On 12/1/2018 1:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Thanks for your feedback. It has been very helpful! I stand corrected. I >> somewhat thoughtlessly rushed into sending out the survey without checking >> definitions, as what I meant to find out about is about people editing film >> in a physical non-computerised way, not video tape, just photochemical film >> in any format. >> >> I’d be interested to know how this discussion list would think this would be >> best described. I think it is better to leave the linear out of it and just >> term it as ‘editing photochemical film’? >> >> Just to add that I am in the final year of a practice as research PhD >> investigating historical relationships between filmmaking and textile >> practice, testing through performance the hypothesis that film can be >> compared to fabric and editing to stitching. I will submit a performance and >> a written thesis so the survey will be help with the literature and practice >> review, as I’m interested to know about artists who continue to edit film >> physically, what their process is and ideas about why they do it. >> >> All best, >> >> Mary >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 02:37, Christopher Ball <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I remember doing sound mixing with 4 U-matic machines, running them all >>> together until they drifted out of sync while mixing audio. I also editing >>> running 2 U-matics together and punching in on the record machine when I >>> wanted the cut to happen. What a difference now. Mind you, film editing >>> was not hard and puts you in a much better headspace than computer editing. >>> >>> Christopher >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:34 PM Colinet André <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> of course you are right with this approach. >>> >>> I’m talking about another definition of “non-linear” which is also correct. >>> >>> Anyhow I made a lot of linear analogue video editing and every time you had >>> to copy to start a new version until the quality was so bad you had to go >>> back to the originals with the timecodes. >>> >>> >>> Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> Van: Adam Hyman >>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 november 2018 2:04 >>> Aan: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Onderwerp: Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> I learned in film school during the transition period that what Dave says >>> is correct >>> >>> Editing with celluloid is non-linear; early video editing was linear due to >>> the assembly reason that Dave describes; non-linear digital editing was a >>> return to the non-linear editing of celluloid. >>> >>> We could have a poll though. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> From: FrameWorks <[email protected]> on behalf of >>> Colinet André <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List >>> <[email protected]>" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:44 PM >>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]>" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing >>> >>> >>> I don’t agree with Dave. >>> >>> Linear editing means physical linear structuring of film or video footage. >>> >>> Non linear editing means virtual editing of footage because it’s only a >>> editing list with software. >>> >>> All the best !! >>> >>> Colinet André >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> Van: Dave Tetzlaff >>> Verzonden: donderdag 29 november 2018 22:50 >>> Aan: Experimental Film Discussion List >>> Onderwerp: Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing >>> >>> >>> > I'm interested in 'linear film editing', as in cutting and splicing film >>> > at an edit bench or Steenbeck or however you do it. >>> >>> >>> That’s not linear editing. Physical film editing is non-linear, which means >>> you can edit anywhere in the piece you want by winding the reels to that >>> spot. Linear editing was how editing in VIDEO was performed >>> pre-computerization. That is, you had to add each shot sequentially from >>> beginning to to end, in that order, and once you got to, say, shot 5, you >>> couldn’t go back and trim the cut between 1 and 2 without starting over. >>> >>> >>> Needless to say, linear editing is a pain in the ass, and anyone who had >>> ever editied film found it extremely frustrating and limitiing. Thus >>> non-linear video editing was invented by commercial filmmakers after video >>> became integrated into feature film produstion via special effects and >>> ‘workprinting’. For example, one of the earliest experimental systems, the >>> Editdroid, was built by Lucasfilm in the early ‘80s. In fact, before the >>> term ‘non-linear editing’ came into common use in the 1990s, these systems >>> were called ‘electronic film editing’, because they gave editors working >>> with video footage the same flexibility that physical film editing had >>> always offered. >>> >>> >>> You have checked your definitions before creating your survey… >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system#History >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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