Hi Fred, Yes that’s what I meant, the intercutting of shots of editing with sewing (hand and machine) and women working in a weaving factory in Man With A Movie Camera.
Warm wishes, Mary On 2 Dec 2018, at 20:22, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: > Mary, > > Yes, but you must also have seen what that film editing is intercut with at > several moments... > > Fred Camper > Chicago > On 12/2/2018 11:26 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> Hi Fred, >> >> Yes Man with A Movie Camera is an important reference for the study, with >> those great images of Elizaveta Svillova editing with scissors. I’d be >> interested in any other films that show film being edited. I know of another >> that shows a a woman, which is Hail Caesar. There is a scene supposedly >> based upon Margaret Booth who worked for MGM until she was in her late 80s. >> >> All best, >> >> Mary >> On 1 Dec 2018, at 22:24, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> i was glad to hear of your interesting topic. I trust The Man With the >>> Movie Camera is included? >>> >>> Fred Camper >>> Chicago >>> >>> >>> On 12/1/2018 1:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your feedback. It has been very helpful! I stand corrected. I >>>> somewhat thoughtlessly rushed into sending out the survey without checking >>>> definitions, as what I meant to find out about is about people editing >>>> film in a physical non-computerised way, not video tape, just >>>> photochemical film in any format. >>>> >>>> I’d be interested to know how this discussion list would think this would >>>> be best described. I think it is better to leave the linear out of it and >>>> just term it as ‘editing photochemical film’? >>>> >>>> Just to add that I am in the final year of a practice as research PhD >>>> investigating historical relationships between filmmaking and textile >>>> practice, testing through performance the hypothesis that film can be >>>> compared to fabric and editing to stitching. I will submit a performance >>>> and a written thesis so the survey will be help with the literature and >>>> practice review, as I’m interested to know about artists who continue to >>>> edit film physically, what their process is and ideas about why they do it. >>>> >>>> All best, >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> On 30 Nov 2018, at 02:37, Christopher Ball <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I remember doing sound mixing with 4 U-matic machines, running them all >>>>> together until they drifted out of sync while mixing audio. I also >>>>> editing running 2 U-matics together and punching in on the record machine >>>>> when I wanted the cut to happen. What a difference now. Mind you, film >>>>> editing was not hard and puts you in a much better headspace than >>>>> computer editing. >>>>> >>>>> Christopher >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:34 PM Colinet André <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> of course you are right with this approach. >>>>> >>>>> I’m talking about another definition of “non-linear” which is also >>>>> correct. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow I made a lot of linear analogue video editing and every time you >>>>> had to copy to start a new version until the quality was so bad you had >>>>> to go back to the originals with the timecodes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Van: Adam Hyman >>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 november 2018 2:04 >>>>> Aan: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I learned in film school during the transition period that what Dave >>>>> says is correct >>>>> >>>>> Editing with celluloid is non-linear; early video editing was linear due >>>>> to the assembly reason that Dave describes; non-linear digital editing >>>>> was a return to the non-linear editing of celluloid. >>>>> >>>>> We could have a poll though. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: FrameWorks <[email protected]> on behalf of >>>>> Colinet André <[email protected]> >>>>> Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List >>>>> <[email protected]>" <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:44 PM >>>>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]>" >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don’t agree with Dave. >>>>> >>>>> Linear editing means physical linear structuring of film or video footage. >>>>> >>>>> Non linear editing means virtual editing of footage because it’s only a >>>>> editing list with software. >>>>> >>>>> All the best !! >>>>> >>>>> Colinet André >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Van: Dave Tetzlaff >>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 29 november 2018 22:50 >>>>> Aan: Experimental Film Discussion List >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > I'm interested in 'linear film editing', as in cutting and splicing >>>>> > film at an edit bench or Steenbeck or however you do it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That’s not linear editing. Physical film editing is non-linear, which >>>>> means you can edit anywhere in the piece you want by winding the reels to >>>>> that spot. Linear editing was how editing in VIDEO was performed >>>>> pre-computerization. That is, you had to add each shot sequentially from >>>>> beginning to to end, in that order, and once you got to, say, shot 5, you >>>>> couldn’t go back and trim the cut between 1 and 2 without starting over. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Needless to say, linear editing is a pain in the ass, and anyone who had >>>>> ever editied film found it extremely frustrating and limitiing. Thus >>>>> non-linear video editing was invented by commercial filmmakers after >>>>> video became integrated into feature film produstion via special effects >>>>> and ‘workprinting’. For example, one of the earliest experimental >>>>> systems, the Editdroid, was built by Lucasfilm in the early ‘80s. In >>>>> fact, before the term ‘non-linear editing’ came into common use in the >>>>> 1990s, these systems were called ‘electronic film editing’, because they >>>>> gave editors working with video footage the same flexibility that >>>>> physical film editing had always offered. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You have checked your definitions before creating your survey… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system#History >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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