Nate Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> types:
> > I'm aware that software was installing itself in /usr/local years
> > before it was installing in /opt. On the other hand, vendor software
> > was installing in /opt years before I ever saw it install in
> > /usr/local.
> Most vendor software I know pre-dates /opt, and installed itself in
> /usr/local.  I'm with Warner on this one, installing in /usr/local
> predates /opt by many years.  Before /opt, vendors always used
> /usr/local, or worse they installed in /bin and /usr/bin.

Oh, I agree that installing things in /usr/local predates /opt by
years. I'm curious as to what vendor provided software installed
itself in /usr/local, though, as I've never seen any.

> > If memory serves (and it may not at this remove), /usr/local/bin
> > wasn't on my path until I started using VAXen, meaning there were few
> > or no packages installing in /usr/local on v6 & v7 on the 11s.
> On V7 (the earliest software I have), vendor software installed itself
> in /usr/[bin|lib], which is IMO worse than /usr/local.

That sounds like you're agreeing with me, at least about v7.

Nate Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> types:
> > Then again, your quoting of "packages" points up something else - I
> > never saw prepackaged binaries for v6 or v7.
> I did on SysIII.  As a matter of fact, the entire distribution was
> bundled into separate packets (all of them installed in /usr). :(

SysIII was not something I ever worked with. I went from v7 to BSD
until, and stayed pretty much BSD until I started working with Solaris
in the early/mid 90s.

> In any case, I think you're wasting your time trying to convince folks
> here.  It appears to me that this is an argument going nowhere, and the
> claims you're making of history and tradition are way off the mark, thus
> making the arguments have much less weight.

I few this as consciousness-raising. That's an ongoing process.

My claims about "history" and "tradition" are attempts to refute
Brandon's assertion that packages going into /usr/local has "years of
tradition behind it." Mostly, it's about what *packages* are, not what
/usr/local was used for.

By your own admission, /usr/local wasn't used on v7. So the discussion
should turn to when BSD started seeing prebuilt vendor packages to
install in /usr/local.


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