On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 12:50:11PM -0500, Michael Lucas wrote:
> It seems that the best we can hope for is to educate some of the
> braver users who are ready to take the next step and are willing to
> donate some time to us.

Very good idea. I probably qualify as a good representation of the type
of users you are targetting.

> I'm considering doing a series of articles on testing FreeBSD-current,
> including: setting up for kernel dumps, what to type at the debugger
> prompt after a crash, filing a decent bug report, what to expect from
> -current, and so on.  I would also make it clear when to not bother
> filing a bug report (i.e., "You crashed, but had no WITNESS?  Sorry,
> enable WITNESS & try again."). This would be (I suspect) three
> articles, running about a month and a half.

That sounds good. I'm more of a no-BS-get-down-to-business kinda guy
though. I like quick instructions and explanations of why. I should be
able to figure out most of the stuff through whatever comes out of this
thread though. And there's always the handbooks...

> My question to the community is: is it too early to do this?  If I
> start now, the articles would probably appear April-May.

I'm not going to pretend I'm an authority on this, but I think it'd be a
good time to start now. All I am more or less comfortable with is typing
'trace' and looking at stuff I don't know anything about :) Give people
some time to experiment with how the tools work and why they do what
they do. After they've had to use them for a little while and the
feedback isn't complete garbage to them anymore, the bug reports will be
much better and more concise (I'd hope so at least). That would give
then -CURRENT branch a boost at a time when I would guess it'll really
need it. 

Basically, people who are new to -CURRENT like me need some time and
advice to get comfortable with the tools. Then we'll be of much more
help than stumbling around blindly.

Munish Chopra     The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative

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