Dear Chris,
as promised, I have now posted the zip with updated Windows launchers, one
taking Java from "jre/bin/javaw.exe", into the following patch:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1361629&group_id=7118&atid=307118
I have created a documentation page about the Windows launcher:
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Windows_launcher
As regards licensing: In an email that you have sent to me and that I am
quoting below, you have referred me to two open source projects that bundle
Java into their installers. I have added them into the wiki:
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Licensing
However, the first project does not have a pure GPL; they have modified it
to make it possible to link with non-free code.
The second project does not state their license on their web page; that they
have GPL follows from their entry in their SourceForge project page. There
is no evidence that the other project knows what they are doing.
I see no evidence that bundling FreeMind, licensed under pure GPL V2+, with
Java is legally correct.
Best regards,
Dan
Chris wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> you requested to find open source with java included. Here are two of
> them:
> http://www.mondobeyondo.com/projects/stopmojo/
> http://tiffanys.sourceforge.net/
>
> Both on sourceforge.
>
> Do you still remember to create the different exe for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> --
>
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Dan Polansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Dear Chris,
>
> okay; I will create the exe in any case, regardless of the opened
> licensing issue. This I will do no sooner than on the coming weekend.
>
> But as regards licensing, IMHO we should proceed in a risk-averse way, and
> consider such a bundling a license violation, unless clearly demonstrated
> otherwise. My concern is not that we violate Sun's license; my concern is
> that we violate FreeMind's GNU GPL.
>
> I prefer hard facts to speculation. And I prefer to rely on the thought
> and experience of a multitude of other people, those who are experienced or
> if possible expert, if available. Do you know of any other open source
> software licensed under GNU GPL that contains Java bundled?
>
> I understand that FreeMind needs Java. FreeMind also needs an operating
> system, some of which are proprietary. The key point is *bundling*, not
> *need*, from what I understand.
>
> Best regards,
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 8:25 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > beside the licensing, do you still create the .exe for me? The packaging
> > needs some time to be created.
> > Moreover, remember, that every user of FreeMind needs Java to execute
> > FreeMind.
> > And it is only the question, if we are allowed to package and distribute
> > the java with our proprietary program.
> > We can' t claim, that the result is GPL (at least not for java 5+6,
> > java7 is gpl, but not available AFAIK).
> >
> > Perhaps, consider
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/
> >
> > Best regards, Chris
> >
> > Dan Polansky schrieb:
> >
> > Dear Chris,
> >
> > I think it should be possible for me to make it tomorrow to produce a
> > version of FreeMind.exe that takes the Java runtime from a specific
> > directory.
> >
> > But what I see as an issue is the licensing of Java runtime. Though I
> > have already devoted some attention to copyright issues, I am still a
> > non-expert. FreeMind is licensed under GNU GPL; bundling with it something
> > that has not an open source license seems highly risky of copyright
> > violation.
> >
> > Unless we have a clear evidence that there are no licensing issues, we
> > should avoid bundling with FreeMind anything without a license compatible
> > with GNU GPL.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2008 10:41 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Dan,
> > >
> > > this will cost you at least a couple of beer ;-)
> > >
> > > Dan, I want to publish an installer version including the java
> > > runtime:
> > > FreeMind-0-8-1-max-Java-included, too. What do you think?
> > > From the license of the runtime, it should be possible (see below).
> > >
> > >
> > > I would need your help in creating a freemind.exe that takes a
> > > java.exe
> > > from a subdirectory jre/bin/java.exe.
> > > Can you supply such an exe, soon?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
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