Hi Eric, well, with groovy, you are able to format the hard disk inmediately. Even without any sun bug...
Yours, Chris -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:11:20 +0100 (CET) > Von: "Eric Lavarde - FreeMind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [Freemind-developer] 0.8.1 min Java included > Hi Chris, > > thinking it over, I still see two points against packaging Java: > > 1. Security is one side, bugs are another, you still need to repackage if > a Java bug impacts FreeMind. > > 2. Back to security: especially given the fact that we've now got a > scripting engine, FreeMind is also a security issue entry (think about > Word documents with macros) and as such, we need to be careful. > > This said, it's not a strong opposition, and as long as I don't need to > package or support such a thing on Linux, you are free to do it :-) > > And again, I don't think any license issue speaks against it. Java 7 being > under GPL, it's another story, theoretically, we would need as well to > offer all the sources, but it's the same issue for all GPL libraries we > already use. > > Cheers, Eric > > Christian Foltin (GMX) said: > > Hi, > > > > ad 2: well, with an embedded java, this jvm is only used for FreeMind. > > Thus, the need for security updates is not so big, is it? > > > > And moreover, I'm seeing into the future, when Jre7.0 gets open source. > > Then, there would be no problem at all. > > > > Well, let's see. > > > > Chris > > > > Eric Lavarde schrieb: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm not really happy either with the idea to bundle FreeMind with Java: > >> > >> 1. not because of the licensing reasons, my understanding was always > >> that GPL is about linking and not bundling: > >> > >> "In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program > >> with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of > >> a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under > >> the scope of this License." > >> > >> 2. but because we carry the responsibility in terms of security > updates. > >> Sun brings rather often security updates and we would have to generate > a > >> new release each time. > >> > >> I would rather see an installer checking for the existence of Java > (with > >> a correct version), and warn the user if it's missing, opening on > >> request a browser with the java download URL. > >> > >> Eric > >> > >> Dan Polansky wrote: > >> > >>> Dear Chris, > >>> > >>> as promised, I have now posted the zip with updated Windows launchers, > >>> one taking Java from "jre/bin/javaw.exe", into the following patch: > >>> > >>> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1361629&group_id=7118&atid=307118 > >>> > <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1361629&group_id=7118&atid=307118> > >>> > >>> I have created a documentation page about the Windows launcher: > >>> > >>> http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Windows_launcher > >>> > >>> > >>> As regards licensing: In an email that you have sent to me and that I > >>> am > >>> quoting below, you have referred me to two open source projects that > >>> bundle Java into their installers. I have added them into the wiki: > >>> > >>> http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Licensing > >>> > >>> However, the first project does not have a pure GPL; they have > modified > >>> it to make it possible to link with non-free code. > >>> > >>> The second project does not state their license on their web page; > that > >>> they have GPL follows from their entry in their SourceForge project > >>> page. There is no evidence that the other project knows what they are > >>> doing. > >>> > >>> I see no evidence that bundling FreeMind, licensed under pure GPL V2+, > >>> with Java is legally correct. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Dan > >>> > >>> > >>> Chris wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Dan, > >>> > >>> you requested to find open source with java included. Here are two > >>> of them: > >>> http://www.mondobeyondo.com/projects/stopmojo/ > >>> http://tiffanys.sourceforge.net/ > >>> > >>> Both on sourceforge. > >>> > >>> Do you still remember to create the different exe for me? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Dan Polansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Chris, > >>> > >>> okay; I will create the exe in any case, regardless of the opened > >>> licensing issue. This I will do no sooner than on the coming > >>> weekend. > >>> > >>> But as regards licensing, IMHO we should proceed in a risk-averse > >>> way, and consider such a bundling a license violation, unless > >>> clearly demonstrated otherwise. My concern is not that we violate > >>> Sun's license; my concern is that we violate FreeMind's GNU GPL. > >>> > >>> I prefer hard facts to speculation. And I prefer to rely on the > >>> thought and experience of a multitude of other people, those who > >>> are > >>> experienced or if possible expert, if available. Do you know of > any > >>> other open source software licensed under GNU GPL that contains > >>> Java > >>> bundled? > >>> > >>> I understand that FreeMind needs Java. FreeMind also needs an > >>> operating system, some of which are proprietary. The key point is > >>> *bundling*, not *need*, from what I understand. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Dan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 18, 2008 8:25 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Dan, > >>> > >>> beside the licensing, do you still create the .exe for me? The > >>> packaging needs some time to be created. > >>> Moreover, remember, that every user of FreeMind needs Java to > >>> execute FreeMind. > >>> And it is only the question, if we are allowed to package and > >>> distribute the java with our proprietary program. > >>> We can' t claim, that the result is GPL (at least not for java > >>> 5+6, java7 is gpl, but not available AFAIK). > >>> > >>> Perhaps, consider > >>> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ > >>> > >>> Best regards, Chris > >>> > >>> Dan Polansky schrieb: > >>> > >>>> Dear Chris, > >>>> > >>>> I think it should be possible for me to make it tomorrow to > >>>> produce a version of FreeMind.exe that takes the Java runtime > >>>> from a specific directory. > >>>> > >>>> But what I see as an issue is the licensing of Java runtime. > >>>> Though I have already devoted some attention to copyright > >>>> issues, I am still a non-expert. FreeMind is licensed under > >>>> GNU GPL; bundling with it something that has not an open > >>>> source license seems highly risky of copyright violation. > >>>> > >>>> Unless we have a clear evidence that there are no licensing > >>>> issues, we should avoid bundling with FreeMind anything > >>>> without a license compatible with GNU GPL. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Dan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 16, 2008 10:41 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Dan, > >>>> > >>>> this will cost you at least a couple of beer ;-) > >>>> > >>>> Dan, I want to publish an installer version including the > >>>> java runtime: > >>>> FreeMind-0-8-1-max-Java-included, too. What do you think? > >>>> From the license of the runtime, it should be possible > >>>> (see below). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I would need your help in creating a freemind.exe that > >>>> takes a java.exe > >>>> from a subdirectory jre/bin/java.exe. > >>>> Can you supply such an exe, soon? > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Chris > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ======================================================================= > >>>> Redistribution of the J2SE Runtime Environment > >>>> > ======================================================================= > >>>> > >>>> > -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> NOTE - The license for this software does not allow > >>>> the > >>>> redistribution of beta and other pre-release > versions. > >>>> > -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Subject to the terms and conditions of the Software > >>>> License > >>>> Agreement and the obligations, restrictions, and > >>>> exceptions set > >>>> forth below, You may reproduce and distribute the > Software > >>>> (and > >>>> also portions of Software identified below as > >>>> Redistributable), > >>>> provided that: > >>>> > >>>> (a) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified > >>>> and only > >>>> bundled as part of Your applets and applications > >>>> ("Programs"), > >>>> > >>>> (b) your Programs add significant and primary > >>>> functionality to the > >>>> Software, > >>>> > >>>> (c) your Programs are only intended to run on > Java-enabled > >>>> general > >>>> purpose desktop computers and servers, > >>>> > >>>> (d) you distribute Software for the sole purpose of > >>>> running your > >>>> Programs, > >>>> > >>>> (e) you do not distribute additional software intended to > >>>> replace > >>>> any component(s) of the Software, > >>>> > >>>> (f) you do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or > >>>> notices > >>>> contained in or on the Software, > >>>> > >>>> (g) you only distribute the Software subject to a license > >>>> agreement > >>>> that protects Sun's interests consistent with the > terms > >>>> contained in this Agreement, and > >>>> > >>>> (h) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its > >>>> licensors from > >>>> and against any damages, costs, liabilities, > settlement > >>>> amounts > >>>> and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred > in > >>>> connection with any claim, lawsuit or action by any > >>>> third party > >>>> that arises or results from the use or distribution of > >>>> any and > >>>> all Programs and/or Software. > >>>> > >>>> The term "vendors" used here refers to licensees, > >>>> developers, and > >>>> independent software vendors (ISVs) who license and > >>>> distribute the > >>>> J2SE Runtime Environment with their programs. > >>>> > >>>> Vendors must follow the terms of the J2SE Runtime > >>>> Environment Binary > >>>> Code License agreement. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > >>> Defy all challenges. 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