Dear Chris,
as promised, I have now posted the zip with updated Windows launchers,
one taking Java from "jre/bin/javaw.exe", into the following patch:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1361629&group_id=7118&atid=307118
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1361629&group_id=7118&atid=307118>
I have created a documentation page about the Windows launcher:
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Windows_launcher
As regards licensing: In an email that you have sent to me and that I am
quoting below, you have referred me to two open source projects that
bundle Java into their installers. I have added them into the wiki:
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Licensing
However, the first project does not have a pure GPL; they have modified
it to make it possible to link with non-free code.
The second project does not state their license on their web page; that
they have GPL follows from their entry in their SourceForge project
page. There is no evidence that the other project knows what they are doing.
I see no evidence that bundling FreeMind, licensed under pure GPL V2+,
with Java is legally correct.
Best regards,
Dan
Chris wrote:
Hi Dan,
you requested to find open source with java included. Here are two
of them:
http://www.mondobeyondo.com/projects/stopmojo/
http://tiffanys.sourceforge.net/
Both on sourceforge.
Do you still remember to create the different exe for me?
Thanks,
Chris
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Dan Polansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Dear Chris,
okay; I will create the exe in any case, regardless of the opened
licensing issue. This I will do no sooner than on the coming weekend.
But as regards licensing, IMHO we should proceed in a risk-averse
way, and consider such a bundling a license violation, unless
clearly demonstrated otherwise. My concern is not that we violate
Sun's license; my concern is that we violate FreeMind's GNU GPL.
I prefer hard facts to speculation. And I prefer to rely on the
thought and experience of a multitude of other people, those who are
experienced or if possible expert, if available. Do you know of any
other open source software licensed under GNU GPL that contains Java
bundled?
I understand that FreeMind needs Java. FreeMind also needs an
operating system, some of which are proprietary. The key point is
*bundling*, not *need*, from what I understand.
Best regards,
Dan
On Feb 18, 2008 8:25 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Hi Dan,
beside the licensing, do you still create the .exe for me? The
packaging needs some time to be created.
Moreover, remember, that every user of FreeMind needs Java to
execute FreeMind.
And it is only the question, if we are allowed to package and
distribute the java with our proprietary program.
We can' t claim, that the result is GPL (at least not for java
5+6, java7 is gpl, but not available AFAIK).
Perhaps, consider
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/
Best regards, Chris
Dan Polansky schrieb:
Dear Chris,
I think it should be possible for me to make it tomorrow to
produce a version of FreeMind.exe that takes the Java runtime
from a specific directory.
But what I see as an issue is the licensing of Java runtime.
Though I have already devoted some attention to copyright
issues, I am still a non-expert. FreeMind is licensed under
GNU GPL; bundling with it something that has not an open
source license seems highly risky of copyright violation.
Unless we have a clear evidence that there are no licensing
issues, we should avoid bundling with FreeMind anything
without a license compatible with GNU GPL.
Best regards,
Dan
On Feb 16, 2008 10:41 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Dear Dan,
this will cost you at least a couple of beer ;-)
Dan, I want to publish an installer version including the
java runtime:
FreeMind-0-8-1-max-Java-included, too. What do you think?
From the license of the runtime, it should be possible
(see below).
I would need your help in creating a freemind.exe that
takes a java.exe
from a subdirectory jre/bin/java.exe.
Can you supply such an exe, soon?
Regards,
Chris
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