Thus spake Nicholas Thompson circa 09-09-25 01:09 PM: > Glenn, OK. Shirley you're just messing with me, Nik. ;-)
> is THIS: > >> I _may_, however, be able to simulate what Robert Rosen might say. The >> knitter is the efficient cause of the sweater. And, hence, the sweater >> is NOT closed to efficient cause. Hence, the sweater is not a complex >> system. And, if we assume all complex systems exhibit emergence, then >> he would say the sweater is NOT emergent (except perhaps if we expand >> the "system" to include the actors which constitute the efficient cause, >> of course). > > of the form: > > All swans are white > This bird is white > This bird is a swan > > ? Yes, except that I misspoke (surprise surprise). I meant to say "if we assume that _only_ complex systems exhibit emergence, then RR would say the sweater is NOT emergent." So, it would be of the form: Only swans are white. This object is white. .: This object is a swan. I think this is just the contrapositive. But remember that my simulation added that last part. RR didn't talk about "emergence" as far as I'm aware. > ps: Re Rosen; were you around two summers ago when I was beating my gums > into plough shares trying to understand Rosen's Life Itself? I am hoping > to get back to Rosen as one of the people who has a highly restricted view > of emergence and who is also highly enthusiastic about downward causation. > Who, in fact, is trying to create a formalism -- DENSMORE ALERT-- to > describe such. Yes. I was here. I'm not an expert on Rosen.... I'm probably not even a competent pseudo-expert. But I enjoy yapping uselessly about how we might make his work useful. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
