Yeah, I tend to agree. The default position is "no such thing" and the burden 
is on those making a positive claim. I feel that way about actual infinity, 
moral intuitionism, natural law, etc. as well. Appeals to common sense and 
pragmatism are the most suspect, but often the most useful.

On 4/8/21 8:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> It could also be chaotic, or, like a conjugate gradient optimization working 
> in high dimensionality and finite precision, apt to stumble across new 
> subspaces by accident, even though it is just being greedy.   The apparent 
> randomness just comes from evaluating a function against large input vectors 
> that have both known and (mostly) unknown values.   How one could possibly 
> tease out subtle symmetry breaking roles in such a cacophony is unclear to 
> me.   That cacophony could give the appearance of freedom, which makes me 
> suspicious.


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