I can understand your feelings about JSP and CF Stacy. Here is my story
for what its worth. I am a programmer with quite a bit of CF experience
although much of my other work has been in 'real' languages like C, VB
(some would argue the definition of 'real' but ...) and others. I work
with a page designer and last year we developed an ecommerce /
storefront / catalog site in non-FB CF. I've always felt somewhat
frustrated with CF because its not a strongly typed 'real' language. 

Our application needs lots of new features and is ready for a version 2
rewrite. This time I really want to get business logic and content
separated as much as possible. In the last few months I've made a big
effort to learn Java because I somehow convinced myself that JSP /
Servlets / JavaBeans were the way to go.  I spent a lot of time playing
with Struts (http://jakarta.apache.org/struts)and then Webwork
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/webwork). Both of these are good Model
View Controller frameworks for JSP being developed by some very smart
people. I suggest that your Java people should be at least be looking
at these if you can't convince them to go to CF. I found both had quite
a steep learning curve and neither is quite released to version 1 yet.
I too got excited when I found CachedRowSet and wrote a bean to use it
but gave up over issues of jdbc drivers of varying quality and
features.

I then discovered Fusebox. With CF 5 ready to go it was just too good
to move past. I couldn't see any compelling reason to switch to JSP and
we are about to start redeveloping our app using XFB.

I still like Java but I am not convinced about the JSP idea. My
frustration with CF being 'just' a scripting language is still there to
some extent so I am looking at doing some of my back end stuff in Java
using either Java CFX tags or CFOBJECT when I want the features of a
'real' language. I really feel like I have the best of both worlds now.

Cheers all
Ross

(A New Zealander in the USA. Been lurking here for a while.)

--- Stacy Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *sigh*
> 
> Some peeps just don't get it. I'm 110% confident anything developed
> in JSP
> can be replicated in CF and vice-versa (given the correct skillset on
> the
> developer). but MY GOD our place is OBSESSED with everything going
> Java on
> the front end...Projects are taking 10 times as long !!!
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