Michael, can you say more about what you mean here by "neuroscience"?
Thanks.
Lawry
On Jun 19, 2012, at 10:59 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
> Yes, and it has been a very long time since I read Marx on this but I have a
> feeling that what we are seeing is a qualitatively more advanced form of
> distortion... One where the bad guys are able to actually get in and
> manipulate at a level of detail (informed by neuroscience, psychology,
> anthropology etc.) that the Churches etc. were not sufficiently sophisticated
> to be able to achieve. I think it is rather more on the level of 1984 where
> people are able to make others believe that 2+2=5 (creationism etc.) and not
> only believe it but believe it passionately and aggressively against all
> rhyme or reason... Also, an element in the process is to reconstruct social
> relationships ("networked individualism") where the technology plays a key
> role so that individuals don't have the means to achieve the solidarity which
> would allow them to move beyond false consciousness/ideological manipulation.
> Hence the circle is closed.
>
> M
>
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> See
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consciousness
>
>
>
> From: [email protected]
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:54 AM
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> Unfortunately, I agree with the paragraph quoted but only up to the end of
> the first (long) sentence... My gloomy assessment is that the bad guys have
> now been more or less able to close the circle (through the judicious
> use of the media, huge amounts of money, complacent political classes, and an
> effective intervention into the noosphere (societal ideation)). The evidence
> from Wisconsin, Greece, Canada is that they are able to twist democracy to
> support policies which make things worse for the mass of the population and
> to put in place measures which lock-in and reinforce their political
> position. My feeling is that the system is more likely to implode rather
> than move to any broadly desireable outcome including the laughable insanity
> of " return of true capitalism and the free market" whatever on earth that
> might possibly mean.
>
> M
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> From Steve Kurtz.
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Kurtz
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:42 AM
> Subject: [Ottawadissenters] Clive Maund
>
> (thanks to A.P. in Zurich)
>
> Note that this is apart from natural resource bottlenecks which could inhibit
> material throughput in future recovery attempts.
>
> Steve
>
> http://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?art_id=2744
>
>
> last bits of a short article:
>
> The world needs a long and deep depression in order to purge itself of
> excess debt and the distortions, inefficiences and misallocation of capital
> resulting therefrom, and it is going to get it, QE and hyperinflation first
> or not. All the daily noise in the media about the Greek election, or any
> elections, or the hyped up Fed meetings and pronouncements, or what Mrs
> Merkel thinks and says etc is just irrelevant fluff, detail and distraction
> for the unthinking masses, and ultimately is not going to avert the grim
> outcome of this appalling mess. Not until all this debt is repudiated and the
> world has gotten the usurious banking system off its back, with its tentacles
> reaching deep into government everywhere, will the world be able to move
> forward again. Then at long last we will be able to hail the return of true
> capitalism and the free market.
>
>
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