Ray,
You're misreading me. I don't blame the workers. They're the ones
who've been manipulated. I don't believe they are dumb either.
Proportionately, workers' children could throw up as many people of
talent as the privileged if they had the same quality of education.
Keith
At 17:03 19/06/2012, REH wrote:
Like Keith, I tend to blame the workers. Primarily because I think
they have the practical IQ but are easily swayed by the community of
fundamentalist religion. Unlike Keith I don't believe they are
dumb however I do believe they are complicit as in Wisconsin when
the wealthy were able to foment a civil war within families.
REH
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World control - Yes. But who is behind it. Not the lackeys doing the
selling to the masses (those within the government institutions, or
those working in middle or upper management for the measly crumbs
they may garner). They are most likely ignorant of the full impact
themselves. They just want a piece of the pie for themselves and
have few scruples on how to achieve that end so they stay with the
money. No, there are a few "tricksters" out there who will
eventually, and inevitably, start warring on each other using the
desperate poor once again as the cannon fodder for their sick games of control.
D.
On 19/06/2012 7:59 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
Yes, and it has been a very long time since I read Marx on this but
I have a feeling that what we are seeing is a qualitatively more
advanced form of distortion... One where the bad guys are able to
actually get in and manipulate at a level of detail (informed by
neuroscience, psychology, anthropology etc.) that the Churches etc.
were not sufficiently sophisticated to be able to achieve. I think
it is rather more on the level of 1984 where people are able to make
others believe that 2+2=5 (creationism etc.) and not only believe it
but believe it passionately and aggressively against all rhyme or
reason... Also, an element in the process is to reconstruct social
relationships ("networked individualism") where the technology plays
a key role so that individuals don't have the means to achieve the
solidarity which would allow them to move beyond false
consciousness/ideological manipulation. Hence the circle is closed.
M
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See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consciousness>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consciousness
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Unfortunately, I agree with the paragraph quoted but only up to the
end of the first (long) sentence... My gloomy assessment is that the
bad guys have now been more or less able to close the circle
(through the judicious use of the media, huge amounts of money,
complacent political classes, and an effective intervention into the
noosphere (societal ideation)). The evidence from Wisconsin,
Greece, Canada is that they are able to twist democracy to support
policies which make things worse for the mass of the population and
to put in place measures which lock-in and reinforce their political
position. My feeling is that the system is more likely to implode
rather than move to any broadly desireable outcome including the
laughable insanity of " return of true capitalism and the free
market" whatever on earth that might possibly mean.
M
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From Steve Kurtz.
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Subject: [Ottawadissenters] Clive Maund
(thanks to A.P. in Zurich)
Note that this is apart from natural resource bottlenecks which
could inhibit material throughput in future recovery attempts.
Steve
<http://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?art_id=2744>http://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?art_id=2744
last bits of a short article:
The world needs a long and deep depression in order to purge
itself of excess debt and the distortions, inefficiences and
misallocation of capital resulting therefrom, and it is going to
get it, QE and hyperinflation first or not. All the daily noise in
the media about the Greek election, or any elections, or the hyped
up Fed meetings and pronouncements, or what Mrs Merkel thinks and
says etc is just irrelevant fluff, detail and distraction for the
unthinking masses, and ultimately is not going to avert the grim
outcome of this appalling mess. Not until all this debt is
repudiated and the world has gotten the usurious banking system off
its back, with its tentacles reaching deep into government
everywhere, will the world be able to move forward again. Then at
long last we will be able to hail the return of true capitalism and
the free market.
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