I know what you're referring to, however it makes no difference. you get hit no matter how fast you react. the sound's probably just there as a novelty but it isn't of any use.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Hayden Presley" <hdpres...@hotmail.com> To: <thomasward1...@gmail.com>; "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my Q9 complaints was Re: Q9, heeeeeelp!


Actually, in Q9, you can hear some of the enemies a split second before they
attack. You have to move quickly though, otherwise...
Best Regards,
Hayden

-----Original Message-----
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:16 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my Q9 complaints was Re: Q9, heeeeeelp!

Hi Philip,
Very true. The problem is a difficult one to solve because we are
working with an audio only medium.  I've added some ways to avoid
attacks such as ducking or jumping over enemy attacks, but players of
Mysteries of the Ancients still tell me they don't know when to duck or
jump.  That's a problem I don't really know how to solve.
As you pointed out in a mainstream vidio game you can antisipate an
attack simply by watching what the enemy does. If an enemy turns and
aims a weapon at you you usually have a split second to duck, crouch,
step asside, jump, or something to avoid the attack.In the hand to hand
fighter games you can see a punch/kick coming and can hit the proper key
to block that attack and follow up with an attack of your own.   With
audio you really can't see the attack coming, and by the time the weapon
is fired, punch sound is playing, etc it is much too late to respond.
The only audio game I know of that was designed to alertyou of an attack
was ESP Whoop Ass.In that game when a punch is coming you would hear a
woosh of air out of the left, center, or right speakers and then you had
to try and block the punch while following it up with a punch of your
own. It works, but takes some practice to get the hang of. It still
isn't easy to block those punches even with the little woosh sound
before the actual punch.
A while back I wrote a little test program along the lines of Whoop Ass
using light sabers from Star Wars called sabers.  You would hear Darth
Vaders saber swing from the left, center, or right side then the
blow.You had to move the mouse left or right to block the saber attack
and then quickly swing it in the other direction and forward to place
your own attack.Problem was even with the voom sound signaling  Vader's
attack by the time the voom ended it was often too late to block so you
had to react extremely quickly. Fortunately, the mouse input was much
faster than keyboard input so that helped balance it out some.

Cheers!

On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 21:57 +0100, Philip Bennefall wrote:
Hi Yohandy,

I believe that this is a problem that exists in almost every audio game
available today including Shades of Doom, Super Liam, Q9, Mysteries of the

Ancients I believe though am not 100 % sure on this, and pretty much any
other action title. It is, however, an interesting topic and I'd be open
for
suggestions on how to address this. There are a few major issues that I
can
see:

1. Anticipating attacks. In a sighted game you are obviously able to see a

little beforehand if an enemy is about to attack you and so you are able
to
dodge it. However it is not so easy to illustrate this in audio for two
reasons. First, you'd have to have a very clear sound that could be heard
over all the other noises in the game, and this might detract a little
from
the smoothness of the experience. Second, you'd have to slow attacks down
enough as to give the player a fair chance to block them and this would
require at least 100 milliseconds at a bare minimum which would slow game
play down significantly.

2. Type of dodging. As I see it, there are two ways of doing this. Either
you have it so that a blocking action is automatically performed if you
attack with your current weapon in whatever direction the enemy is coming
from, there by dodging their offense. This could be problematic though if
the user is swinging a fist, for instance, as that wouldn't be able to
dodge
a bite from a wolf or bear very well. Of course one could argue that this
is
part of the challenge of the game (e.g. picking the right weapon to dodge
with), but I am not sure. The other alternative is to have a separate key
combination for blocking, but then the question is - is it realistic to
assume that the user will be able to jump that fast over the keyboard as
to
be able to quickly dodge and attack at the sort of speed that an advanced
difficulty level would require for instance?

These are just a few spontaneous thoughts that popped into my head. What
are
your opinions?

Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall



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