And that's what I've been trying to explain to the folks on the audiogames
forum. Haven't been all tat successful though. About all the non believers
did was beg a moderator to close the topic and yell at the rest of us to
give up.
We are the Knights who saaaaay...Ni!
----- Original Message -----
From: "dark" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?
Hi Jeremy.
Interesting thoughts but I'll just point out one thing.
You mention "punching out a demo in an afternoon"
The speed at which you personally can program stuff is frankly unnatural!
In fact given the wrate you create games, roughly one every six weeks to
two months, you could nearly have enough to live on just from game sales
alone, eg, if each game sold at 20 dollars each sold 150 copies, that'd be
18 thousand dollars a year, ---- as I said almost! enough to live on.
However, most people cannot "just punch out" a demo that quickly.
I'd guess for most developers, creating a demo of a game like airik would
take at least a fortnight of work, maybe more, and if your prepared to
work a fortnight for a scam of a thousand usd or so you might as well go
further and make the bloody game, ----- in fact as far as I've gathered
from developers like Phil and Tom's work, the initial physics and engine
creation is the hard part and making extra levels, objects etc is
relatively simple (and a lot more fun), thus the Scam would, for most
people be less trouble than it was worth, pluss of course, if I were such
a scammer, why would I make an accessible game in the first place?
There are many sterriotypes about visually impared people, but an idea
that we all are all wealthy enough to be tempting scam targits is not one
of them I'd ever heard.
Myself, were I inclined to pull such a preorder scam, I'd put it out as a
standard graphical independent game, and thus generate a good bit more
cash with the same amount of work.
Btw, as I said, I stil do not think Airik is a scam, for all we know Jake
has been run over by a bus and is in hospital, has won the national
lottery and is sunning himself in the bahamas or has been kidnapped by
aliens!
there are imho many more logical reasons the game could be delayed than
scamming.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Kaldobsky" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?
Well I have not pre ordered the game, and I wasn't around for any of the
past trouble makers, so I have remained completely quiet on this topic.
I don't want to try guessing whether it is, or is not, a scam.
I just wanted to comment on the idea that $1000 or $2000 isn't enough of
an incentive to scam the community. Please remember, this is only
theoretical, and I am not trying to link this to any of this Airik the
Cleric business!
If the guy is sighted, people are correct who have noted, he probably
wouldn't have realized how small it is. I, myself, am sighted and I
imagined the community here was much larger when I first showed up. I'm
the first to admit I'm poor, and man, a thousand dollars is a huge
incentive to do something, though stealing that from people is not how I
would want to obtain it. Yes people have bills, and car insurance, and
so forth, but a person running a scam would be making this money on the
side. There would be no reason to believe the guy actually had to support
himself on profits from a scam, he presumably has a day job that does
that.
Yes, to some it seems like releasing a demo, and bug fixes, proves this
is not a scam, but I believe when we theorize about what a real scammer
would do, it seems logical. I know how I would have done it, if I had a
different sense of morality, and I certainly would have released a demo
to "prove" to people something was coming. So you take an afternoon, or
a day, and you punch out some type of game demo. That's really quite
simple to do, and you can then write about all of the amazing things the
game will have. I wouldn't have to cover the cost of sound libraries,
since I could just steal them from other sources. If someone is scamming
the community, why would they feel the need to pay for sounds?
I think the low pre order price is another thing that actually makes
sense. It's all about balance, of course. Since this would all be
"free" money to the scammer, this is not the time to be greedy. Offering
a lower price means more people will be willing to pay in advance. This
is also the reason I, if I put myself into the mindset of a scammer,
would push back the release date several times. The longer things delay,
the more people will wander in and pre order. Even with all of this
Airik debating, I'm sure some people have still placed orders after the
first release dates came and past. In the end, the scam artist, using a
fake name, could invest little more than a few days work to pull off the
scam. Now I'm sure a sighted stranger would have expected 3 or 4 times as
many pre orders, but as I've said, a thousand dollars is still more than
enough money to make it worth it.
Boy, when I got near the end of what I wanted to say, I felt like I had
just written a "how to scam the audio games community" manual! Sorry if
that's what it sounds like, and it wasn't my original intention. I
suppose the lesson to take away from all this, is that you should
probably trust a developer before you're willing to hand them money
early. I also want to end this by, again, reminding everyone I am not
trying to say anything about the current Airik the Cleric situation. I
don't feel it would be fair for me to guess on that, either way.
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