I think that we are all in agreement that keeping klemmeri well fed and in good amounts of calcium and vitamin D3 and/or calcium and UV producing lighting is essential. Breeding females need more sustenance if you want them to have good egg production and still maintain good health.
Give a breeding female klemmeri more support by: Snacks of wax worms smothered in calcium and vitamin D3 Extra fruit baby food with calcium, plain yogurt, and/or commercial day gecko nectar supplements Extra gut loaded crickets smothered in calcium, vitamin d3 and vitamins. Winter break from breeding. Leann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: [gecko]Re: sick klemmeri female > Hi Leann and Julie. Leann, your statement was more > accurate, I was trying to be brief and didnt mention > that I was adding calcium to the T-rex mix, as well as > dusting all prey items. However, I was not feeding > daily, and I think the first mistake was in not > separating the female from the male after she laid. > Unfortunately, she passed in the evening. Im > incredibly bummed, but perhaps I learned a good > lesson: these beautiful little animals need more > attention than I was prvoviding. Im just sick about > losing her. But, I cant let that distract me from the > others and providing more fully for them. > Thanks to all who offered advice. It was a tough > loss, but I think my care for these little guys may be > better in the future because of it. > > BTW, Ive got two juvies that are growing quickly, and > the adult male seems to be doing well. Any advice > about indtroducing another female to him when the time > is appropriate? I am going to surmise that it > shouldnt be done until the female is fully grown, but > beyond that? > Thanks, > chad > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:57:23 -0800 (PST) > > From: Chad Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [gecko]Re: sick klemmeri female > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Roger. Duh, what was I thinking. Setup is a large > > Oceanic tank of unknown gallonage 30X24X12 (lxwxh). > > Lighting provided by 4 compact fluorescents of 60 > > watts each. Temp range of 75-90 during the day, 73 > > at > > night. Misted twice daily, humidity in the tank > > builds up nicely at night. Been with the male 1.5 > > years, shes approximately that old. I was running > > under the "no uvb required if high lumens provided" > > philosophy, but I think thats the culprit. Diet has > > been FF, crix, and the Trex day gecko diet, mixed > > with > > baby food, honey, and calcium. FF and crix dusted > > with rep-cal and herptivite. She produced two > > clutches, probably too close together. > > My diagnosis: calcium deficiency due to insufficient > > UVB and two clutches. Im going to hazard a guess on > > this one, but some people have mentioned how > > supplement sensitive klemmeri are. Im going to say > > that although the high lumens obviates UVB for MOST > > day geckos, if youve got a reproducing female > > klemmeri, this may not be sufficient. An aggressive > > and "interested" male doesnt help either. Thought I > > had cooled them sufficiently....but I was wrong. > > She is now getting some Neocalglucon and plenty of > > uvb. Ive seen her perk up a bit, but still not > > eating > > if I dont put the nectar right on her snout. If by > > tomorrow I dont see her in hunting mode, Ill force a > > wax worm or maybe FF larvae on friday. Other > > suggestions? Maybe a mush of various bugs instead > > of > > the wax worm and/or FF larvae? Ive got plenty of > > bugs > > to choose from...termites, houseflies, WW, FF of two > > species, crix, earthworms, etc... > > Any help appreciated, shes thin. > > Chad > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:13:44 -0800 (PST) > > > From: Chad Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [gecko]Ill klemmeri female > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Hi all. Ive got sick klemmeri female. She seems > > to > > > have had a bad shed, and then the male was > > > harrassing > > > her a bit too. Anyway, she started to lose > > weight, > > > so > > > I separated her. She was listless, and wont eat. > > I > > > have managed to dribble a little "nectar" mix on > > her > > > snout a few times, but she doesnt appear to be > > > eating > > > anything more than that. She has perked up > > slightly, > > > but its been a week now and she isnt putting on > > > weight > > > as far as I can tell. She has access to fruit > > > flies, > > > houseflies, pinheads, mini-wax worms, anything > > that > > > she would normally respond to, but doesnt seem > > > interested. How can I get her eating again? > > > Thanks, > > > Chad > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > > > search. > > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > > -- __--__-- > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:04:38 -0800 > > > From: Julie Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [gecko]Ill klemmeri female > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Organization: Gecko Ranch > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Hi Chad, > > > > > > We need details to help... set-up, temps, vitamin > > > supplements, lighting, > > > how long has she been with the male, how old is > > she, > > > etc. > > > > > > Julie B. > > > > > > Chad Mayer wrote: > > > > > > >Hi all. Ive got sick klemmeri female. She seems > > > to > > > >have had a bad shed, and then the male was > > > harrassing > > > >her a bit too. Anyway, she started to lose > > weight, > > > so > > > >I separated her. She was listless, and wont eat. > > > > > I > > > >have managed to dribble a little "nectar" mix on > > > her > > > >snout a few times, but she doesnt appear to be > > > eating > > > >anything more than that. She has perked up > > > slightly, > > > >but its been a week now and she isnt putting on > > > weight > > > >as far as I can tell. She has access to fruit > > > flies, > > > >houseflies, pinheads, mini-wax worms, anything > > that > > > >she would normally respond to, but doesnt seem > > > >interested. How can I get her eating again? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Chad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! 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