On 3/12/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Stephen Colebourne wrote: > > >>>>> DbUtils and DBCP to db.apache.org sounds like a win to me; DBCP > would > >>>>> point back to Jakarta for a dependency on [pool], but that helps to > >>> foster intra-project involvement. > >>>>> > >>>>> Betwixt, Digester and JXPath strike me as a bit more to swallow and > XML > >>>>> might not want to taking such bites. You want to go ahead and ask > them? > > > > Martin Cooper wrote: > >> I think this whole thing is putting the cart before the horse. You're > in > >> the > >> process of destroying Commons, not just dismantling it, and for no good > >> reason that I can see. The people involved with Digester should be the > ones > >> to initiate a discussion about whether or not they want to take > Digester > >> elsewhere. As it is, this is coming across more like "why don't you > guys go > >> away, somewhere far away, 'cos we think that's a good idea". > > > > +1. I believe there is the potential to group Jakarta around perhaps 4 > or 5 > > mailing lists groupings instead of 15+ now. But it cannot be forced. > > Right. My first response was that we needed to be sure community would go > with them. My gut instinct is that the DB ones would go - there's somewhat > of an overlap between db.apache and commons, but I'm not convinced the XML > ones would. > > Asking the question on commons-dev should initiate discussion with those > who care about Digester - ideally asking it here would too but they might > not be paying attention I guess. Waiting for every individual codebase to > individually decide to get active and discuss non-code issues is a > non-starter from the beginning.
Why? > Just because db-commons and xml-commons exist doesn't mean that we should > > 'outsource' to them. OSS isn't like that. > > That's no reason to ignore the idea though. OSS is sometimes like that. > > > As I've said before, its in our nature as programmers to look for > > abstractions and hierarchies - to look for order. Community isn't that > > convenient. > > This still comes down to the basic issue :) I believe that as Thomas is a > Jakarta committer it is not an idea being forced from the outside, but > something from the inside. As he's a DB PMC member, then at least half is > very much from the inside - and I think he was involved in the Commons SQL > -> DdlUtils move. > > Even in the model where we only look to those with substantial commits to > a codebase - some of the inactive ones are going to be left behind and > will need someone to be suggesting a direction for them. Why? -- Martin Cooper Hen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
