On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:22 PM Michał Górny <mgo...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > On Sat, 2019-07-20 at 23:04 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:28:39 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > > On Sat, 2019-07-20 at 20:50 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:25:10 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > The QA team would like to introduce the following policy: > > > > > > > > > > """ > > > > > Packages must not disable installing manpages via USE flags (e.g. > > > > > USE=man or USE=doc). If upstream does not ship prebuilt manpages > > > > > and building them requires additional dependencies, the maintainer > > > > > should build them and ship along with the package. > > > > > """ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explanatory note: > > > > > > > > > > This applies to having USE flags that specifically control building > > > > > manpages. It obviously does not affect: > > > > > > > > > > a. USE flags that disable building both a program and its manpage > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > if USE=gui disables building gfrobnicate, not installing > > > > > gfrobnicate(1) > > > > > is correct), > > > > > > > > > > b. use of LINGUAS to control installed manpages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rationale: > > > > > > > > > > Manpages are the basic form of user documentation on Gentoo Linux. > > > > > Not > > > > > installing them is harmful to our users. On the other hand, requiring > > > > > additional dependencies is inconvenient. Therefore, packaging > > > > > prebuilt > > > > > manpages (whenever upstream doesn't do that already) is a good > > > > > compromise that provides user with documentation without additional > > > > > dependencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are your comments? > > > > > > > > The basic foundation of Gentoo is freedom of choise for our users. > > > > If installing man pages means no additional dependencies, than > > > > proposed rule is ok. However if such dependencies are required it is > > > > up to users to decide if they wan them or not. > > > > > > > > Having USE=man (or USE=doc) for such purposes is fine. Having > > > > USE=man enabled by default in user profile is also fine. Forcing > > > > users to install unnecessary dependencies on minimal systems in a > > > > no go and turns Gentoo into something else. > > > > > > > > > > Could you please read the proposed policy? It explicitly says you are > > > *not* supposed to force extra deps on users but build manpages for them. > > > > Could you please what the other developers have already replied to > > you on this matter? This will be a significant increase in > > maintenance burden for both developers and advanced users without > > much to gain. > > > > Yes, I get it. User experience is not important if it would mean > developers would actually do anything but the bare minimum to get > from one paycheck to another. The usual Gentoo attitude.
I don't understand your reaction, but it's very common with predictable steps to generate it: 1) You make a proposal 2) People offer feedback and ask questions 3) You respond combatively (or not at all), as if you are upset that people perhaps are not 100% aligned with your view. ... which honestly shouldn't be at all unexpected and is precisely why requesting comments on a proposal is valuable. My question earlier in the thread is relevant and still unaddressed.
