It is well said but I will observe that putting a geo-engineering label on what we are doing to ecosystems and the climate through human use of energy and agriculture is not in my opinion an effective communication technique to get people to have less visceral reactions to the topic of intentional geo-engineering. We need to recognize that there are big differences in context in the two realms.
It is a strong point that a full evaluation of the risks of intentional geo-engineering should also consider the climate risks that are potentially altered by specific geo-engineering approaches. But I think saying something like "we are already geo-engineering" will fall on deaf ears with the broader audience that is thinking about this subject. David ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Peter Eisenberger <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 1:47 PM To: Klaus Lackner Cc: [email protected]; geoengineering Subject: Re: [geo] Intention matters in Climate Engineering Klaus Well said ! Peter On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Klaus Lackner <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I get it, and I get that intentions matter. On the other hand, we are globally engineering and energy system (rather than a climate system). It certainly has in aggregate geo-engineering scale, and also individual companies operate on truly global scale. That said, this is a form of geo-engineering, which deliberately ignores the climate consequences. So maybe we are not geo-engineering the Earth Climate, but we have created an energy flux that is about 4 orders of magnitude larger than “natural” energy fluxes flowing into the metabolism of members of a mammalian species. We consume in the developed countries about 100 times as much energy per capita as our own metabolism consumes, and in part because of it, we are able to attain a population density that is hundred times higher than that of other mammals our size. It also turns out that species of different size have comparable energy consumption per unit area of land. We humans have engineered a system that provides a four orders of magnitude larger energy input. So we are geo-engineering, and we ignore the consequences on the climate. Klaus From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Christopher Preston <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 7:53 PM To: geoengineering <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [geo] Intention matters in Climate Engineering An introductory blog piece about why intention makes a difference in climate forcing. https://plastocene.com/2018/02/20/philosopher-meets-meteorologist-to-talk-about-climate-engineering/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: This email message and all attachments contain confidential and privileged information that are for the sole use of the intended recipients, which if appropriate applies under the terms of the non-disclosure agreement between the parties. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
