Peter said: >> - by creating only one item in the windows list, grouping GIMP's >> windows, instead of one item for each panel (it's quite confusing) >> > > I say no item in the window list. inspectors do not match users' goals, > image windows do. > I meant the items in the tray bar / lower panel of the O.S. desktop. The applications listing. Just one item "Gimp" instead of toolbox, image, docker as it appears now.
> My intuition tells me that such 'ms outlook' approach would > work against the goal of GIMP being a high-end expert tool. > > I am much more enthusiastic about having the tip of the day in the > main window in a 'no image' situation. And to have all new tips there, > that can bring experienced users to the next level. > To be honest, I had that idea when I was looking Ardour and Jokosher, then I realized "hey, that's the same that the latest Adobe apps have!". It doesn't look to be working against Adobe Premiere Pro, Adobe After Effects and Adobe Encore (almost in the exact way I suggested) and Photoshop and Illustrator (in a similar way). So I'm not sure if it's incompatible with a high end, pro application. The tip of the day could be in that window too, and you'd have a great one-window solution for the whole problem. I think I should make a mockup. :-) > We are investigating in the same direction at the moment, but I cannot > decide for one million users that by default they can have either > the tool options, or the color specifier. So I need to look for > different compromises. > Then Thorsten said this: > As far as I got it, this is all in line with what Peter has been > proposing. Where MDI would be an _option_ that could be tackled > _after_ floating panels have been adressed. > And this: > Fine if that works for you and nice to see docking put to work for > a custom layout. But I shudder on the thought of having to move the > pointer from one side of the screen to the other, for tweakink tool > options after picking a tool. > Good points. In the ideal world, Gimp would have MDI and floating as options, and presetable layouts by default. But we know that gimp hasn't enough developers, and this kind of features were never adopted because of that. I was myself one of the guys asking for optional MDI/Floating some time ago, and Sven replied that: every option in the preferences carry an important effort in coding as well as several changes in documentation. That's why I'm suggesting this layout chnge. It would gain much screen space without the need of much coding and documentation changes. I'm pretty sure that most of the user asking for MDI wouldn't have much problems with the layout I'm proposing. It's more "photoshop-esque", and to be honest, users who ask for MDI so frequently are doing that because of Photoshop mostly (see the "trend" point in Peter's report). Most of the users got used to the default layout maybe because never knew that it could be changed. I'd like to know how they feel about getting a 15% more of work area. Maybe there should be a poll in the website, proposing a couple of tool layouts. Oh, and about semi-transparent toolbox and docker... it can be really tricky. IMO, Semi transparent windows in interfaces should be avoided because it's readability depends on the contrast between the foreground and background elements. Some combinations work great, some combinations simply don't. And when they don't, the new problem is worse than the problem that was intended to solve: a confusing mix with deficient contrast is worse than a slight obstruction. And why not to mention that semi-transparent windows are alien to the default GTK/gnome style guidelines. _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer