Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 01:18:54 +0000
   From: Nick Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 11:23:48PM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote:
   > Just to throw in my opinion: gimp is _NOT part of gnome, other than in a
   > technical way, and I personally think it is important that it stays so.

   From the user's perspective The Gimp is part of GNOME. For 1.2 this
   won't be really true, but only because of lack of development time to
   handle the changes. Is there serious concern here that user's will
   NOT want a GNOME-enabled Gimp in 2001 or 2002 when the 1.3 series
   might reasonably be expected to conclude with a new stable release?

Yes.  The user may not have the disk space to install GNOME, or may
choose to run fvwm or ctwm.  Or, for that matter, the user may not
want the security holes that may exist in gnome.  Take a look at this:

$ netstat -a
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State
tcp        0      0 ip158.bedford2.ma.:3138 helios.metalab.unc.:ftp ESTABLISHED
tcp        0      0 ip158.bedford2.m:telnet sun-barr.Sun.COM:48331  ESTABLISHED
tcp       57      0 ip158.bedford2.ma.:4920 anonopenbsd.cs.colo:ftp CLOSE_WAIT
tcp        0      0 *:8888                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp       69      0 ip156.bedford9.ma.:3559 web.tiac.net:ftp        CLOSE_WAIT
tcp        0      0 *:smtp                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:6001                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2055                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2044                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2043                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2042                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2041                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2040                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2039                  *:*                     LISTEN
tcp        0      0 *:2032                  *:*                     LISTEN
$ fuser -n tcp 2039
2039/tcp:             1085
$ fuser -n tcp 2040
2040/tcp:             1087
$ fuser -n tcp 2041
2041/tcp:             1091
$ fuser -n tcp 2042
2042/tcp:             1094
$ fuser -n tcp 2043
2043/tcp:             1097
$ fuser -n tcp 2044
2044/tcp:             1099
$ fuser -n tcp 2055
2055/tcp:             1108
$ ps u1085
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
rlk       1085  0.0  0.8  7384  2216   1 S   Nov 15   0:01 panel
$ ps u1087
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
rlk       1087  0.0  0.0  2568   232  ?  S   Nov 15   0:00 gnome-name-service
$ ps u1091
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
rlk       1091  0.0  0.4  6124  1104  ?  S   Nov 15   0:04 clockmail_applet --ac
$ ps u1094
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
rlk       1094  0.0  0.4  6064  1276  ?  S   Nov 15   0:01 gen_util_applet --act
$ ps u1097
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
rlk       1097  0.0  0.4  6100  1280  ?  S   Nov 15   0:00 mini_commander_applet
$ ps u1099
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
rlk       1099  1.0  0.4  6140  1132  ?  S N Nov 15 1144:16 cpumemusage_applet --

Huh, it looks like I have open TCP ports courtesy of GNOME.  That's
not very nice, now is it?

   I suppose we might conclude that vendors will ship only KDE, in which
   case maybe those wacky Qt people will show up again and threaten to
   code a replacement Kim*g*sh*p if we won't re-write Gimp in C++ :)

GNOME and KDE are not the only possible environments that one may run
under.

-- 
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>      http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/

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Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Project lead for The Gimp Print --  http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net

"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton

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