Considering that they put a lot of time and effort into GIMP 2.8 and that this
issue has been being brought up for over a year now, I don't think they
"quickly rejected" the idea of a toggle.
There are only two things you can do at this point;
1. Stop using GIMP
2. Get used to the new workflow
Honestly, is it really THAT difficult?
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:20 PM, "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr" <jnagyjr1...@gmail.com>
> On 07/19/13 20:19, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
>>>> In my experience any attempt to teach users good practices will be met
>>>> by a few snobbery accusations. Today it's you who issues them.
>>>> Tomorrow it will be someone else.
>>> It's not your job to teach us anything.
>> Oh it is :) No matter how much you personally resist. You might as
>> well tell us to stop producing the user manual -- after all, if we are
>> not allowed to teach you, then let's be consistent about that, eh? :)
> Let me rephrase that: It's not your job to teach us about our workflow.
> Everyone works differently. The old way of save/save as worked just fine.
> There was NOTHING wrong with it.
>>> I understand that concept very well, what happened here though - while maybe
>>> an improvement for the professional - is a huge change in the workflow of
>>> many, many other users, all of which whom are being ignored or told to shut
>>> up and go away.
>> Nobody is being ignored on this list. And before you argue, I suggest
>> you check the definition of "ignore" in a dictionary again.
>>>> But here's an idea. If using GIMP makes you sulking and soar all the
>>>> time (and this is not the first time you are complaining about a
>>>> specific change), perhaps it's time for you to think why you want to
>>>> invest your time into this unhealthy "relationship"?
>>> No, it's not.
>> It is --- what? Your statement doesn't make sense grammatically. What
>> does it refer to?
> Yes it does make sense grammatically, I'm responding to your claim that this
> isn't the first complaint I've had about The GIMP (though I couldn't tell you
> what that was, I also do not really care).
>>> that permanently through some options. This new export/save workflow isn't
>>> really all that helpful (though it's not terrible, it's completely foreign
>>> to many long-time users, as people keep posting about it are saying).
>> Many? Do you have solid statistics confirming that? Howe many people
>> does ot take to be considered "many", exactly?
>> If there are e.g.15 unhappy people on the list, is that considered
>> "many" against tens or hundreds of thousands of users around the
> I'd say from the number of people who keep contributing to these sorts of
> threads asking for the old way of doing things, it's more than 15 unhappy
> people. As for those others, I'm sure if they felt it would change anything,
> more of them would complain.
>>> I've already invested many years into using The GIMP, my question to you is
>>> why should I learn something else?
>> Because you are obviously unhappy.
> I'm unhappy about one or two features. I'm unhappy about a lot of things. I
> don't like the ports system in FreeBSD, I'm unhappy I cannot build OpenOffice
> or LibreOffice with clang. In all those cases, though, nothing else meets my
> needs. Windows isn't secure or stable enough. MSO sucks in comparison to
> LibreOffice (the only thing I use MSO for is Avery templates as they have
> never worked 100% properly in OO or LO). The same with The GIMP. Shotwell
> doesn't meet my needs (and may as well be a dead project for as slowly as
> it's updated). Inkskape is something completely foreign. Photoshop is
> complex, expensive, and unweildly. digikam I can't get to compile/install no
> matter what I do. I am also unahppy at how unfree FOSS is, fettered with crap
> licenses like the GPL. Maybe I'm a masochist at heart, or perhaps I just
> don't like change all that much (I am certainly not in the minority in
> regards to the subject of this thread).
>>> Why is that so hard to understand?
>> The request for a preferences checkbox _is_ understood. And
>> respectfully rejected.
> If it was really understood, I don't think you all (the dev's) would be so
> quick to reject it (respectfully or otherwise). I really do not see how this
> new way is so much better EXCEPT when working with new images created /in/
> The GIMP (which I do from time to time).
> Yours in Christ,
> Joseph A Nagy Jr
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