Sorry for any confusion; perhaps I can explain! Perhaps I needed to say that I am not using the web browser to read and write emails: they are currently going through Thunderbird on my work PC, as this way I can have one program open with all my various emails in it; whether they come from my work account or my various home accounts. I am contacting Gmail via IMAP, and so 'Inbox' forms a separate folder and so doesn't thread messages from 'sent'. The same happens if I label messages as they appear in my 'inbox', effectively copying them to specific folders. I guess I could just look at the 'all' folder at all times, but I prefer to separate current active messages from those which have been dealt with and archived. I would have exactly the same situation if I used Outlook or any other IMAP based method of contacting my Gmail.
This also explains my second point: all emails have to go through the work SMTP server: any other routes for sending out emails from Thunderbird (or Outlook, etc) are blocked (apart from opening a web browser and using the web version of Gmail). When I write a message from my Gmail account on my machine, it places a copy in 'Sent'. This is a simple copying procedure, and so doesn't involve the SMTP servers at all. To be certain that a message has actually got through my work SMTP queue, I need it to go into the ether, arrive at the Gmail servers, and then download it via IMAP. Does this make things clearer? On Friday, 24 May 2013 06:28:15 UTC+1, Zack Tennant wrote: > > Geoff, > > Your messages confuses me more than most in this thread. If you have > conversation view on (the default), then the messages are threaded > together, including your replies. They are not split. I'm looking at this > thread that way right now. When I hit send, the message that I'm typing > now will be at the bottom of my conversation view. > > And as a network engineer, I regret to inform you that #2 is not > happening. All you're telling yourself that way is that it made it to YOUR > server. The sent message present in GMail by default tells you the same > thing. You're not actually gaining any information with a BCC. > > Finally, yes, when GMail detects what it considered a duplicate of a > message that it has already, it will delete it automatically. > > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Geoff Briggs > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Several people seem to have a big problem with *why* anyone would want to >> BCC themselves and have the BCCed messgae stored in their 'inbox' rather >> than in their 'sent' folder. These are the two reasons why *I* want to be >> able to do this. >> >> 1. I would like my replies to messages to be part of the conversation >> thread: I want to be able to look at a threaded message and not only see >> whether I sent a reply, but also see what I said. If the messages are split >> between 2 different folders (labels) then the messages are combined in a >> single thread. >> >> 2. I want to be certain that my messages have actually got out 'into the >> ether'. When at work, I have to send messages through my work smtp server, >> and the only way I know that any email I have sent has actually left the >> local work network is if I BCC myself. If a message returns to me through >> BCC, then I know it has also been delivered to the main recipient's system >> (even if not to the recipients mailbox). Having a copy of my message simply >> copied to 'sent' does not prove the message has been successfully sent. >> >> As it is, I find that many of my BCCed messages to myself actually end up >> in 'Bin', presumably because Gmail realise it's a duplicate (with the copy >> in 'sent' and so deletes the additional one! >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, 23 May 2013 03:16:06 UTC+1, Frank St. Claire wrote: >>> >>> Every reply (most of which seem to come from "Zac") dance around the >>> problem, which is pretty simple: >>> >>> *1. You want to have a copy of each email you send sent to yourself as >>> if you had manually listed yourself as a bcc recipient -- which is gets >>> very old to do manually after you've done it for awhile.* >>> 2. While almost every email service (e.g., Mozilla Thunderbird with IMAP >>> settings) provides such an option, Gmail apparently does not -- despite >>> years of everyone's pleas. >>> 3. *You don't want to use conversation mode* -- which some find >>> distracting AND >>> 4. *You don't want to have to search your "sent" folder for a copy of >>> your own email sent to others* (see item 1 above). >>> >>> and for clarification, this question is NOT: >>> >>> 1. related to CRM (I don't care whatever that is and don't want to know) >>> or >>> 2. a philosophical issue. >>> >>> and finally: >>> >>> 1. Does Google listen to their users or has it turned a deaf ear to a >>> legitimate multi-year request? >>> 2. BTW, we accepted Google's limitation of two levels of "nesting" of >>> mail folders with its multiple "labels" -- which is probably due to a limit >>> in Gmail's design architecture, but >>> 3. If this current issue (i.e., *see item 1 in the first paragraph* if >>> you forgot to read it there or didn't fully comprehend the simple scope of >>> this query) is a design issue here, either: >>> a. fix it or >>> b. "cowboy-up" to the problem -- instead of using what appear to be >>> stalking horse apologists in this user group to qualm the incessantly >>> beating drums of discontent from some of your most ardent supporters over >>> this simple question. >>> >>> Thanks in advance to anyone who has the courage and intelligence to >>> address this issue directly as presented above (i.e., *see item 1 in >>> the first paragraph* above if you have not done so by now) without any >>> of the tangential responses evidenced by this multi-year thread to date. >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Gmail-Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-users?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Gmail-Users" group. 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