On Wed, 30 May 2001, Kurth Bemis wrote:
> true - however these newbies see leo laporte talking about running quake3
> on linux and that its faster blah blah blah...then decide to go do it
> without knowing what the hell thier getting into.
Nothing we can do will protect people from that. I have a friend who
screwed themselves the exact same way, except *his* friend was boasting about
how good Windows 2000 was. Too bad his favorite game wouldn't run under
Windows 2000, and the conversion from FAT -> NTFS is one way only...
> again - true. however it needs to made VERY CLEAR that when you buy linux
> unless you have a clue about what you doing...you're going to hose your
> system.
How come no one is demanding the same for Microsoft OSes? :-)
>> Of course, there are plenty of people who buy the $2 CD and don't get
>> support. But they should be well aware that they are getting what they pay
>> for.
>
> from what i hear redhat support isn't anything to write home about.
I haven't used it enough to say one way or the other, but consider: Their
"in the box" support is installation support. It is intended to help the
newbie figure out what a "filesystem" is or to get X up and running. If you
want help with, e.g., configuring Sendmail, you need to purchase a more
advanced level of support. Ditto with Microsoft, BTW. They charge $300 an
incident for Exchange help.
>>> I don't run redhack i run debian, so i have nobody to call...
>>
>> And whose fault is that? You brag about not running "redhack", but yet you
>> sure sound like you needed their assistance at the time. Speaking of
>> PEBKAC...
>
> HEY! this isn't about me! :-) plus thats why i have you guys :-)
And that's why we're here. But you brought it up: You said you had a hard
time getting started with Linux. It is not the fault of Debian or the Linux
community in general that you dived in without knowing what to do, and refused
to pay for help.
> i don't think so...i mean people are expecting a "windows" like operating
> enviroment.
Any time someone asks me about Linux, I always tell them: This isn't
MS-Windows. If you want MS-Windows, use MS-Windows. Linux can provide a GUI,
a desktop, a word processor, a spreadsheet, a browser, etc., but it will not
be the same as before. If you don't want to change -- then don't! I don't
think any of the distribution vendors are really guilty of this, either. It
is the fault of the people themselves -- they create their own expectations,
and dig their own traps. Again, there is nothing we can do about this.
> lets face it...at least 60% of all windows users have no clue what c:\>
> is.
And I know of Linux users that have no idea with $ is either, but they still
use Linux without trouble.
>> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. Let's see your grandmother
>> setup a fully functional Microsoft Exchange server.
>
> can anybody do that? :-)
LOL, but that was actually my point. You were complaining about setting up
an email server -- that is hard to do. Your average email user has no idea
just what kind of complexity is involved in forwarding their Outlook viruses
around to all their friends. The fact that Windows 98 does not ship with an
email server is hardly our fault.
--
Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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