In a message dated: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:33:00 EDT

>  I have seen Derek's Red Hat bug reports before.  He is often rude,
>abusive, and/or insulting, none of which are productive.  You might find
>that sort of thing funny, but frankly, I think he does himself, Red Hat, and
>the community a disservice by acting that way.  It is one thing to bitch and
>moan on a independent mailing list (like this one) or around the local bar.  
>It is quite another to act that way in what is intended to be a bug
>reporting tool.

I don't disagree with any of that, I was merely stating that it's an 
amusing read.

>  Also, of the six bugs turned up by that URL you posted, four are either
>user error, local configuration, and/or "Just because Red Hat does not do
>things the way Derek Martin expects does not mean it is a bug."  (The other
>two are quite legitimate, long-standing problems.  Red Hat is *far* from

Which ones are you referring to?  In the "RH does not do things the 
way Derek expects them to be" category, I'd re-word that as "RH does 
not do things the way most sysadmins expect things to be."

Most of those gripes are a matter of RH not having experience 
sysadmins doing QA for them.  Compare Derek's complaints to what I 
would consider "standard sysadmin practices" as espoused by Evi 
Nemeth, et al, in the UNIX/Linux System Administrator's Handbook 
series.  RH violates these basic practices with their configurations 
many times.


        It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing,
   but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away.

         If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!

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