Goa was not a "rich basket" for Portugal. It was a loss in the 19th and 20 th centuries. East Timor people got independence as they fought hard against Indonesia, not because Portugal wanted to get rid of a colony. In fact, the Bandung Conference, held in 1955, defined that each colonial people should have self determination. There was any resolution allowing an invasion from another country, even under the pretext of liberation or loss of "patience"... Of course, now it is too late. Goa is a state of India. But we have to realize that Goans didn't exercise the right of self determination. Opinion poll in 1967 was not an exercise of self determination. Of course, now it is too late. But we cannot deny facts...
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If you received this e-mail in error or without authorization, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system; information protected by professional secrecy contained in the Statute of the Bar Association of the Portuguese Republic. Thank you in advance Eugene Correia <[email protected]> escreveu no dia terça, 12/12/2023 à(s) 20:28: > Well, Portugal withdrew from East Timor, as the independence movement was > fierce. I don't think Portugal keeping East Timor as one of its colonies > would be a financial benefit. Seemingly, East Timor was a "basket case' for > Portugal while Goa was a "rich basket". Colonial politics in those times > rested on "gains and loses" and Portugal let go off of East Timor but > reluctantly held on to Goa. > As events proved later on, Indian patience ran out. Knowing well that > Salszar would find it difficult to keep Goa in its embrace by > engaging India in a war, it was a walk-over as we know it. Goa's freedom > did ring a bell in African countries and the Non-Alignment Movement gained > momentum and slowly but surely the continent of Africa was free of colonial > rule. No self-respecting people like subjugation by a foreign power when > the people's consciousness and national pride comes to the fore. > What would happen to Goa if it continued to be under Portuguese rule is > nobody's guess. France was wise, as it earned respect. Portugal was humbled > and disgraced. History is dotted with such examples. > > Eugene Correia > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:07 PM Edgar Valles <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Portugal should have done like France did in Pondicherry? >> >> No, Portugal should have done what the United Nations did in >> Timor-Leste, also a colony in Asia... >> >> Aviso de Confidencialidade >> >> Este correio eletrónico, assim como qualquer ficheiro anexo ao mesmo >> contém informação confidencial e legalmente protegida, exclusivamente >> dirigida ao destinatário. 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If you received this e-mail in error or >> without authorization, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and >> delete the e-mail from your system; information protected by professional >> secrecy contained in the Statute of the Bar Association of the Portuguese >> Republic. Thank you in advance >> >> >> Eugene Correia <[email protected]> escreveu no dia segunda, >> 11/12/2023 à(s) 14:05: >> >>> Thanks Sandra. I was aware of him being a lawyer, as his play is a >>> 'tragi-comedy'. Obviously, he was for Goa to be run by Goans. But, it was a >>> long shot, and the reality of it was not very visible to those who fought >>> for freedom. Portugal should have done like France did in Pondicherry, but >>> with a twist. The colonial masters should have selected a bunch of eminent >>> Goans, some of them in Parliament, and asked them to take over. >>> A lost opportunity for Portugal to act honourably and bravely and earn >>> the respect of the world. Goans would be happy, but the stakes were high in >>> administrating Goa. >>> >>> Eugene >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 3:51 AM sandra lobo <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Bruto da Costa was a lawyer, journalist and politician who defended the >>>> right of Goan people to decide their own political future >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sandra Ataíde Lobo >>>> >>>> >>>> Home (gieipc-ip.org) <https://www.gieipc-ip.org/> >>>> https://praticasdahistoria.pt/ >>>> >>>> tmn. ++351 930690459 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *De:* [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> em nome de Eugene Correia < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Enviado:* 6 de dezembro de 2023 15:27 >>>> *Para:* [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Assunto:* Re: [GRN] Pamphlets >>>> >>>> I saw in my small collection, a tattered copy of Yesterday, Today >>>> and... Tomorrow, A Tragicomedy in Three Acts and Twelve Scenes, by A.A >>>> Bruto da Costa, and I suppose he was a Doctor, perhaps a medical doctor. It >>>> was published in 1963. >>>> However, I post here to know if anyone has a copy, for the first page >>>> of mine is tattered and the cover-page and inside page is unreadable. If >>>> some has the play, I wish to get a copy of the cover and inside pages. I >>>> read it decades ago, and since the Goa Liberation anniversary is coming up, >>>> I wish to quote from it. I am not very sure know if the play was an attempt >>>> at India's takeover of Goa and what the future holds or was it predicting a >>>> "tragicomedy", as Bruto da Costa envisaged Goa would become in later years. >>>> I know he addressed a Letter to Nehru, but don't know where I could >>>> locate it. Does anyone know if it's in the Goa University Library or >>>> elsewhere? >>>> Also re-reading, Goan Struggle for Freedom by M.K. Gandhi, published by >>>> Navajivan Publishing House. Recollecting Liberation and the glow of >>>> freedom. Where has Goa gone? >>>> >>>> Eugene Correia >>>> >>>> >>>> Eugene Correia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 10:04 AM V M <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Frederick, >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for that German resource on Swahili - it turns out >>>> the first known written literature in that language was found in Goa! >>>> Amazing fact. I will examine closely for more places to look. >>>> >>>> About the avid embrace of English language education by Goans in Goa >>>> from the first decades of the 19th century, yes it is true it happened >>>> first in the Bardez villages where the majority of educated men went off to >>>> work in British India (and later to Persia, Aden, East Africa and Singapore >>>> as well). But by the 20th century, it was routine for all families of means >>>> to send their children to study in boarding schools across the border in >>>> Belgaum, Pune and much farther afield as well. >>>> >>>> It has always fascinated me how disproportionately the Goans were >>>> represented from the beginning of college education "for natives" in Bombay >>>> - the first class at Grant Medical College was half Goans! >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> VM >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 6 Dec 2023, 02:06 fredericknoronha, <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 5 December 2023 at 19:08:55 UTC+5:30 vmingoa wrote: >>>> >>>> Goans in Goa pursued English language education with much alacrity from >>>> the second half of the 19th century. Few peoples anywhere - but especially >>>> the subcontinent - have ever embraced English so enthusiastically as the >>>> Goans. There's no question of imposition but merely access to opportunity, >>>> and Portuguese lost out for very good reasons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Would you see this as happening uniformly across Goa or in some >>>> pockets (such as parts of Bardez, and among the daispora in the then >>>> English-ruled regions)?* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Elsewhere, of course, like all other Indians in their transnational >>>> dispersal, Goans have adopted and mastered a wide range of languages.I have >>>> been looking for Goan writing in Swahili. There must be some. 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