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If you received this e-mail in error or without authorization, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system; information protected by professional secrecy contained in the Statute of the Bar Association of the Portuguese Republic. Thank you in advance 'Bernardo de Sousa' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> escreveu no dia sexta, 15/12/2023 à(s) 10:45: > Here is a list of the 10 smallest countries without any iron ore or big > industries that are all independent countries, rich and thriving. Your > argument falls completely flat: > > • Vatican City (0.19 square miles) > • Monaco (0.78 square miles) > • Nauru (8.1 square miles) > • Tuvalu (10 square miles) > • San Marino (24 square miles) > • Liechtenstein (62 square miles) > • Marshall Islands (70 square miles) > • Saint Kitts and Nevis (101 square miles) > • Maldives (120 square miles) > • Malta (122 square miles) > > > On 13 Dec 2023, at 11:03, Joao Paulo Cota <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The economic blockade was designed to disrupt the imports from overseas > and from inland India. > > Agree that Goa produced manpower for the three military branches, but > having its own military bases, airports and naval quarters alongwith tanks, > fighter jets, warships of all classes, are a total different ballgame. > > Goa's iron ore and other small industries would not generate enough GDP > to fund all that plus run the state. > > It could never be an independent country. Just too small in size... > although there were valid calls for this due to the unique Goan identity. > > Regards, > > Joao PauloFrom: [email protected] < > [email protected]> on behalf of John de Figueiredo < > [email protected]> > > Sent: 13 December 2023 01:03 > > To: [email protected] <[email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [GRN] Pamphlets > > Valmiki Faleiro stated that the economic blockade placed by the > Government of India proved Goa to be perfectly capable of being > self-sufficient and he demonstrated that Goa produced distinguished > officers in the army, Air Force, and navy. So that argument does not seem > to be supported by data. All the pieces of the puzzle were in place but the > puzzle was never solved. > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 12, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Joao Paulo Cota <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Worth pointing out that Monaco does not have any army, air force or > navy. > >> Its defence needs are being provided by France. > >> Hence the same analogy would mean, India would need to provide that to > Goa, being its immediate neighbour... realistically, I can't see that > happening. > >> JP > >> > >> From: [email protected] < > [email protected]> on behalf of John de Figueiredo < > [email protected]> > >> Sent: 12 December 2023 23:09 > >> To: [email protected] < > [email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [GRN] Pamphlets > >> Good points, Frederick. > >> The geographical argument does not count either. > >> Monaco is of the size of 314 acres, with a population a little over > 36,000, speaking French, and surrounded all 3 sides by France. The third > side is along the sea just as Goa. But Monaco is an independent nation. > >> Bruto da Costa wanted a plebiscite for the Goans to decide on the > future of Goa. This plebiscite never took place. > >> At any rate, if flowers became concrete, this conversation is > irrelevant because the Goa we are discussing is no more. > >> John > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 4:02 PM, fredericknoronha < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Something makes me want to disagree with quite a few of the comments > made, and conclusions drawn, below: > >>> > >>> (1) My reading is that Portugal dealt with East Timor in the way it > did more due to the turmoil at that time in Portugal itself, the Carnation > Revolution, abrupt change in political direction, etc. Open to correction > here. > >>> > >>> (2) About Goa being a "rich basket", economic studies and other > accepted analyses suggest otherwise. Salazar could have (rightly) seen a > "domino effect" starting in Goa. Something that undercut the plank on which > his ideology was based. Plus, in the Portuguese imagination over centuries, > Goa meant something rather different. Call this emotional reasons, or > whatever you wish. > >>> > >>> (3) "Indian patience ran out" is a shorthand argument which has, > unfortunately, been widely accepted in our perspective on the issue. If you > read the trajectory of events as outlined in Valmiki Faleiro's recent book, > you might conclude otherwise. > >>> > >>> (4) 1961 in Goa has to be also viewed in the context of the Cold War. > Some studies here have begun looking in that direction. This issue is not > only about India and Portugal, let alone Goa. > >>> > >>> (5) This "France was wise" or "Portugal could have followed France" > logic has been put forth repeatedly, and seldom challenged. It is based on > an acute misunderstanding of what happened in Pondicherry. For instance, a > perusal of the recently-published The Portuguese Presence in India (Notion > Press, 2020) by João A de Menezes, p.198-212, could easily make one > rethink this argument. This argument has come up a few times in this forum > too, and then we end up taking it as accurate. > >>> > >>> FN > >>> > >>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 01:58:43 UTC+5:30 eugene.correia > wrote: > >>> Well, Portugal withdrew from East Timor, as the independence movement > was fierce. I don't think Portugal keeping East Timor as one of its > colonies would be a financial benefit. Seemingly, East Timor was a "basket > case' for Portugal while Goa was a "rich basket". Colonial politics in > those times rested on "gains and loses" and Portugal let go off of East > Timor but reluctantly held on to Goa. > >>> As events proved later on, Indian patience ran out. Knowing well that > Salszar would find it difficult to keep Goa in its embrace by engaging > India in a war, it was a walk-over as we know it. Goa's freedom did ring a > bell in African countries and the Non-Alignment Movement gained momentum > and slowly but surely the continent of Africa was free of colonial rule. No > self-respecting people like subjugation by a foreign power when the > people's consciousness and national pride comes to the fore. > >>> What would happen to Goa if it continued to be under Portuguese rule > is nobody's guess. France was wise, as it earned respect. Portugal was > humbled and disgraced. History is dotted with such examples. > >>> > >>> Eugene Correia > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/ae318b18-d024-4e3a-b903-fc3924830319n%40googlegroups.com > . > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > >> To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/A3D036AD-7F50-4D20-9DDA-33D3A37D5228%40sbcglobal.net > . > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > >> To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/GV2P195MB2161243327818C46710292C1828EA%40GV2P195MB2161.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > . > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/FBF8CF0C-708D-4396-B852-74595016F71E%40sbcglobal.net > . > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/GV2P195MB2161E084AB9E122A0D53F92E828DA%40GV2P195MB2161.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/8C36C549-51F9-4688-B9E8-3345001191A5%40gmx.ch > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. 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