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If you received this e-mail in error or without authorization, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system; information protected by professional secrecy contained in the Statute of the Bar Association of the Portuguese Republic. Thank you in advance John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> escreveu no dia terça, 12/12/2023 à(s) 23:33: > Good points, Frederick. > The geographical argument does not count either. > Monaco is of the size of 314 acres, with a population a little over > 36,000, speaking French, and surrounded all 3 sides by France. The third > side is along the sea just as Goa. But Monaco is an independent nation. > Bruto da Costa wanted a plebiscite for the Goans to decide on the future > of Goa. This plebiscite never took place. > At any rate, if flowers became concrete, this conversation is irrelevant > because the Goa we are discussing is no more. > John > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 12, 2023, at 4:02 PM, fredericknoronha <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Something makes me want to disagree with quite a few of the comments > made, and conclusions drawn, below: > > (1) My reading is that Portugal dealt with East Timor in the way it did > more due to the turmoil at that time in Portugal itself, the Carnation > Revolution, abrupt change in political direction, etc. Open to correction > here. > > (2) About Goa being a "rich basket", economic studies and other accepted > analyses suggest otherwise. Salazar could have (rightly) seen a "domino > effect" starting in Goa. Something that undercut the plank on which his > ideology was based. Plus, in the Portuguese imagination over centuries, Goa > meant something rather different. Call this emotional reasons, or whatever > you wish. > > (3) "Indian patience ran out" is a shorthand argument which has, > unfortunately, been widely accepted in our perspective on the issue. If you > read the trajectory of events as outlined in Valmiki Faleiro's recent book, > you might conclude otherwise. > > (4) 1961 in Goa has to be also viewed in the context of the Cold War. Some > studies here have begun looking in that direction. This issue is not only > about India and Portugal, let alone Goa. > > (5) This "France was wise" or "Portugal could have followed France" logic > has been put forth repeatedly, and seldom challenged. It is based on an > acute misunderstanding of what happened in Pondicherry. For instance, a > perusal of the recently-published *The Portuguese Presence in India* (Notion > Press, 2020) by João A de Menezes, p.198-212, could easily make one > rethink this argument. This argument has come up a few times in this forum > too, and then we end up taking it as accurate. > > FN > > On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 01:58:43 UTC+5:30 eugene.correia wrote: > > Well, Portugal withdrew from East Timor, as the independence movement was > fierce. I don't think Portugal keeping East Timor as one of its colonies > would be a financial benefit. Seemingly, East Timor was a "basket case' for > Portugal while Goa was a "rich basket". Colonial politics in those times > rested on "gains and loses" and Portugal let go off of East Timor but > reluctantly held on to Goa. > As events proved later on, Indian patience ran out. Knowing well that > Salszar would find it difficult to keep Goa in its embrace by > engaging India in a war, it was a walk-over as we know it. Goa's freedom > did ring a bell in African countries and the Non-Alignment Movement gained > momentum and slowly but surely the continent of Africa was free of colonial > rule. No self-respecting people like subjugation by a foreign power when > the people's consciousness and national pride comes to the fore. > What would happen to Goa if it continued to be under Portuguese rule is > nobody's guess. France was wise, as it earned respect. Portugal was humbled > and disgraced. 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