On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 05:23:32AM -0400, Dennis Culley wrote: > Reuben, > > Well said. The employees need to understand that they are responsible for > protecting the brand names no matter what part of the domain they belong to. > > Brendan did not connect his personal views with Mozilla. That was > accomplished by activist with a clear intent to punish him and the > corporation, if it continued to support him. What is amazing to me is that > some of these activists appear to be within the organization itself. Why > that is allowed to happen is a mystery to me.
have you considered these paragraphs together? you seem to be saying that the employees actions reflect the opinion of the Mozilla Coorperation, but then you say that's not true about Brendan, when what he did is about the same as what the others did. > The damage has been done. It appears to me the choice is to continue the > status quo where Mozilla exists as an advocacy organization or come out with > a strong statement of inclusion and respect for all employee personal > viewpoints. The former implies that Mozilla will accept alienating a large > number of its customers, which most people would consider bad business > practice. The latter will require courage in pushing back against extremist > social manipulation of the company culture. Regardless of what many insiders > would like to think the rest of the world does not live inside what appears > to be their own cultural bubble. Given the facts of the case (read girv's blog posts if you haven't) I'm not sure how you get the idea there re people who are unwelcome because of their views or beliefs. Trev > > Dennis > > > > Subject: Re: Brendan Eich > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 20:43:36 -0300 > > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > On Apr 7, 2014, at 16:07, Boris Zbarsky <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 4/7/14 2:40 PM, Dennis Culley wrote: > > >> Most organization do not approve of employees using the company name to > > >> espouse their own personal views. > > > > > > Most organizations suck in all sorts of ways, sure. > > > > > > I think there is a clear difference between saying "I work for Mozilla, > > > and I think that X" and saying "Mozilla thinks that X" or "I speak for > > > Mozilla and I think that X". > > > > > > The latter two are not acceptable in general. The former is acceptable > > > in general, especially because the employment status in question is > > > generally not particularly secret. > > > > I don't think this distinction has much weight in practice. This Hacker > > News comment [0] explains it very well so I'll just post it here verbatim: > > > > -- > > Companies need to send out an email to all employees every morning > > reminding them of the most basic law of corporate communications: > > "When you speak to a customer, reporter, friend, or any other person not > > employed by $Company about $Company-related matters, you are acting as a > > public representative of $Company. > > > > Regardless of whom you speak to or in what context, you must assume your > > words will be repeated to the entire world as $Company policy. > > > > Your words will be read/heard and interpreted by people of every > > conceivable level of intelligence and education, in every conceivable > > cultural context. Even people who have never heard of $Company before and > > know absolutely nothing about $Company or the matters you are discussing > > will form opinions based on your words. > > > > People more intelligent, better educated, and more experienced than you in > > the matters you are speaking about will also read and interpret your words. > > Then they will speak publicly about them, and further influence others' > > opinions of $Company. > > > > There are no exceptions." > > -- > > > > [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7540565 > > > > -- reuben > > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
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