On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:08:16PM +0000, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 24/11/14 02:42, Adam Porter wrote: > > Mozilla's recent announcement of deals with Baidu and Yandex concerns > > me. Baidu is in China, a nation in which every entity is subject to > > the whims of its lawless government (and many entities owned by it > > outright), > > Having been recently in China, and seeing how broken Google's stuff is > (like, everything, including analytics), your choice in China is to ship > a search engine which does what the Chinese government wants, or not > ship one at all.
afaik punching a whole in the great firewall isn't that hard (openvpn might be enough?) So if Mozilla really wants a fight providing something better is at least theoretically possible. > Are you advocating we not ship one at all? I haven't really thought it through yet, but I don't think the idea of having Firefox in china automatically tunnel traffic out of china is obsurd on its face. Trev > > media, including all Internet access. Yandex is in Russia, the > > government of which is currently engaged in the invasion and > > annexation of a sovereign nation, and which appears to exercise some > > degree of control over Yandex, perhaps indirectly. > > Russia is a different case to China. But they do exercise control over > many businesses - some would say, _all_ large ones. > > What would you have our policy be? We don't do deals with any company in > a country where the government exercises control over the activities of > those businesses, and has a poor human rights or international relations > record? People from some perspectives might argue that list should > include both the US and UK. > > Gerv > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
