On Monday 25 September 2006 17:51, Tim Churches wrote: > Sorry, but frankly I am still smarting from being accused by Horst of > spreading unfounded FUD, just because I dared suggest that it might be > worth double checking Horst's take on RoR as the ant's pant's of Web > application frameworks.
You didn't check. Checking is not only allright, but highly welcome when I go overboard with fresh enthusiasm. But you made false statements about RoR which I rated as FUD (eg use of Dojo etc.) Doesn't matter, I think that bit is clarified now. You suggested that people you trust were in favour of alternatives like Django. People that have demonstrated their worth in software development are quoted on the RoR web site: “Rails is the most well thought-out web development framework I’ve ever used. And that’s in a decade of doing web applications for a living. I’ve built my own frameworks, helped develop the Servlet API, and have created more than a few web servers from scratch. Nobody has done it like this before.” This comes from no less than James Duncan Davidson, Creator of the famous Tomcat and Ant (which are sort of competing with RoR!!!) And I can't think of any informatics student nowadays not having read the works of Martin Fowler - and he says: “It is impossible not to notice Ruby on Rails. It has had a huge effect both in and outside the Ruby community... Rails has become a standard to which even well-established tools are comparing themselves to.” -Martin Fowler, Author of Refactoring, PoEAA, XP Explained And Tim O'Reilly from the O'Reilly publishers says: “Ruby on Rails is a breakthrough in lowering the barriers of entry to programming. Powerful web applications that formerly might have taken weeks or months to develop can be produced in a matter of days.” ( http://rubyonrails.org/quotes ) These are serious people who matter in the IT world and have demonstrated experience. And Tim O'Reilly at least is highly familiar with Django - he has produced a few sites and even written up a page on it if I remember right, at least I remember him discussing it at an OSCON meeting before RoR took off. No doubt Django and Turbogears or even Trax are fine pieces of framework - but I still believe that they don't get anywhere near as far and complete as RoR for *our specific needs* I don't expect anybody to take my word for it. I accept that sticking to tools one is familiar with has value and can make up for lost productivity even if the tool is "inferior" But I don't accept unfounded statements devaluating my opinion, same as you don't. For what it's worth - I am just hiring a couple of RoR developers to assist in development of a replacement of our online booking system, that is we will try to create an appointment / waiting room / billing system suitable for Australian practice. That is, I provide the data model and mock up screen shots, and the hired hands cut the code. We will see what comes out of this - whe it is ready, it gets published (people more interested can watch and contriubute at any time through svn pf course) _ I am just a few emails short of agreeing on price and timeframe. If this works out well, I will continue in that fashion. If others think it would work for them too, they can join the effort and contribute in whatever resources they have to speed it up. I have comitted $10,000 for the first stage of the project and I think it will be enough - because of the RAD power of RoR. Use a development system that requires a tenth of the code, and expect to pay a lot less for the end result. Horst _______________________________________________ Gpcg_talk mailing list [email protected] http://ozdocit.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpcg_talk
